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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: That particular article certainly doesn’t. It attributes 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Romans and 1 Thessalonians to Paul. It cites Acts but implicitly attributes it to another author (asserting that Paul’s account should be preferred when Acts did not precisely agree with Galatians)
quote: The mythicists I am aware of generally accept Paul’s authorship of the Epistles attributed to him by scholars. That includes all of the above - and more. (The RationalWiki article cited by Tangle earlier also attributes these epistles to Paul - although it looks a bit grudging to me. So I don’t see any sign of trying to have it both ways any more than either article attributes a larger amount of the NT to Paul) Edited by PaulK, : Added parenthetical comment about the RationalWiki article
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And in what happened. Nobody would forget that Jesus turned up in person to tell them not to go to Galilee and assume that they went after all. If it happened. And if that did not happen it was invented and it wasn’t corrected. And that’s before we get into the stuff in Acts like Pentecost, which is tied into it.
quote: Reports of car accidents do NOT greatly disagree on where the accident occurred. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
And this illustrates another point - which I’ll get to.
If the feeding of the five thousand was a fiction, not many people would be in a position to know that. They would have to know pretty much all Jesus’ career - with no gaps - to say that it never happened. The vast majority of those would be in Judaea where Mark might not even have reached before the Jewish revolt began in 66 AD - and I can’t think that refuting the claims of a minor sect would have been much of a priority then. Even then the vast majority would be Jewish, and likely adherents of the Pharisees - and the Church was already hostile to them But there is an even greater problem - how do you prove it didn’t happen? Someone could say that they saw everything and they didn’t see that, but would they be believed. And finally - to the point - there are people who will invent the flimsiest of excuses to reject claims they don’t like. As has just been proven.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: So why are they disagreeing on where the post-resurrection appearances happened? Again, if Jesus turned up on the road to Emmaus and told the disciples not to go to Galilee, how could the author of Matthew not know about it?
quote: That obviously doesn’t account for the differences, especially when they are all supposed to be present for most of the appearancestories. quote: As I said, believers will spout obvious nonsense to try and protect their beliefs.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And you’ve worked hard at deceiving yourself into thinking that. But until you can explain why the author of Matthew thought that the Disciples went to Galilee and saw Jesus there - while the author of Luke insists that they changed their minds and stayed in Jerusalem - because Jesus showed up in person and told them to, your position is considerably weakened. Making the obviously daft claim that it’s like a car accident (unless you mean a car accident when the driver and passengers are so high in drugs they don’t have a clue where they are and what’s really going on) doesn’t cut it with any reasonable person. In a car accident there would at least be broad agreement on where it happened and I don’t see how the first meeting with the resurrected Jesus should get forgotten - so that it only appears in Luke.
quote: Well there are but you don’t like them. And the problems with the Gospel stories at least indicate that the actual post-resurrection events weren’t that memorable.
quote: And there’s the usual strawman. But I suppose you can’t admit to better arguments because you can’t admit to the evidence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Yet you have the faith to believe that accounts of car accidents are routinely confused about the location - by about a 100 miles. Of course it isn’t about faith. That’s why you have no sensible objection to the idea. That’s just the sort of inversion Faith so loves. Edited by PaulK, : Clarified last sentence
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I’m probably more aware of what’s actually going on in smartphone tracking than you are. Are you aware of the efforts that Apple and Google are making to preserve privacy in their Covid-19 contact-tracking application ? And why would money crash? Global economies are taking a hit, but there are upsides to it, and we can’t tell what the new equilibrium will be like yet.
quote: The former is almost certainly anti-vaccine paranoia - scientific discussion of biomarkers seems more concerned with natural biomarkers for viruses and immunity. The army might be used to administer vaccines when you need people to administer large numbers of vaccination. More people, more medics and the organisation to get it done. Vaccines may become mandatory because of the anti-vaccination movement and the outbreaks that result from their success in discouraging vaccination. Perhaps you should wake up and realise that paranoid loons are not reliable sources.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Indeed, quite a lot had to happen before chemicals could exist. But the idea that a mind was the origin of all is not particularly sensible. Indeed, the existence of such a mind cries out for explanation - and there is none. Edited by PaulK, : a correction and a clarification.
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