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Message 323 of 560 (875461)
04-26-2020 8:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 322 by GDR
04-26-2020 6:14 PM

Re: no rational argument ?
"subjective evidence" = not evidence
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Real evidence is not subjective.
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05-09-2020 3:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 443 by GDR
05-09-2020 3:22 PM

Re: Historical and/or Fiction
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There is no evidence for leprechauns but there is evidence for at least a deistic god. The fact that life exists at all is evidence for at least a deistic god.
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How is this evidence for a god at all? Please explain as it is not obvious to me that this would be evidence of a god existing.
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Message 449 of 560 (875919)
05-09-2020 4:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 447 by GDR
05-09-2020 4:05 PM

Re: Historical and/or Fiction
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Life exists and there has to be an underlying cause, ...
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That life exists is just evidence that life exists, no more, no less. You seem to need to have there be a underlying cause for life's existence, that is on you and not an actual requirement.
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05-09-2020 9:38 PM 		Reply to: Message 449 by kjsimons
05-09-2020 4:12 PM

Re: Historical and/or Fiction
Bump
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06-05-2020 1:21 PM 		Reply to: Message 530 by Phat
06-05-2020 12:57 PM

Re: In The Beginning? Certainly Not Chemicals
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No, but the idea that in the beginning was chemicals is just plain silly.
You can argue that until the cows come home, but it makes far less intrinsic sense than does the premise of a mind as the origin of all.
But Phat, your mind is just chemicals too, it doesn't exist outside the physical realm. The idea of a mind existing before the universe or life existing doesn't make any sense at all. The progression of universe->life->mind makes more sense then: discombobulated-mind->universe->life->life-based-minds
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