When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?

Doom, doom, doom ... we're all doomed. The desperate have shouted it down the centuries.Sorry Phat you're going to be disapointed like all the other idiots (I can't call them prophets) of doom - millions of them down the ages all needing it really badly. Nobody is going to persecute you, nobody is creating a global religion and nobody is going to save you. Nobody is interested. Sorry.But you know, enjoy your fantasy.

And the answer is still valid; "How can I tell if some voice is from some Holy Spirit?" And yet the fact is that no one has ever provided any way to determine if they are hearing from some "Holy Spirit"! No Phat, I ask to be taught how anyone can actually know God while still alive and point out that all the evidence is that not one of those who claim to know God ever provide any answer; and that the reality is that every God ever mentioned is simply the creation of a human mind.I try to teach that behavior is more productive than belief and that behavior can be tested and verified while belief cannot. Of course I can Phat; that is why I ask what "God is living in Spirit among us" even means. Unfortunately no believer ever seems to be able to provide an answer although many atheists can easily describe how it could be determined. And so once again you simply fall back on misrepresenting my position.Why is that so common throughout you long history of posts?

while i wouldn't trust trump to take care of his own ass wiping we at least have actual evidence of his existence.

Sorry, but just what has your god ever done to help us that we should trust him/her/it completely over our own best efforts (even to the point of just giving up and not even trying to save ourselves)? To quote from Steve Martin's fourth feature film (in which he starred), The Man with Two Brains (1983):

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Inspector: You are playing God!

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Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr: Somebody has to.

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As much as I hate to use popular catch phrases (almost as much as using emojis or Clippie), it is what it is.Until your god starts picking up the slack, we cannot rely on him/her/it and instead we need to fend for ourselves. To paraphrase somebody's recent remark about Trump wanting to wish the virus away: "Hoping for a miracle should not be Plan A."(feel free to insert that apologetic joke about the stranded flood victim so certain that God was going to save him that he refuses all other rescue attempts only to be informed after his death by drowning that they were God's attempts to save his life)

The greatest calamity that will befall mankind when the End-Times strike is that all those who so reverently looked forward to the End-Times will no longer have the End-Times to look forward to.

And imagine how pissed off that entire army of believes is going to be having been left behind.

That is precisely why those who have calculated the End Times so precisely and had their followers sell off all their worldly goods make damned sure to lock up their followers in order to give themselves a lot of leeway to make their getttaway.

Sorry for the delayed response, Phat.Off topic: Yeah, The Guns of August is good. Another book I enjoyed by Tuchman is The Proud Tower.Enjoy!

Funny how you say "some" Holy Spirit. You claim to be a Creedal Cradle Christian. As I browsed our archives, I found the following exchange with member Faith: Message 624 and I note that the Wikipedia article covers a lot of ground relating to the thought processes of early Christianity. You limit yourself to objective evidence and yet claim that you are a believer in an established "club" of modern Christianity. I have discussed a globalist humanist one world religion before and you brought up the Episcopalian National Cathedral. Which is a perfect example of the future all-inclusive global (consensual) religion which has a form of godliness yet lacks the power due to evidence-based "believers" who have no concept of Jesus living in them nor of "some" Holy Spirit. You likely will say "Thank God we respect the constitution and never checked our brains at the door". The reality is that God is alive through Jesus Christ and that the very concept of reality itself was created by Him and through Him. Well, I support this to a degree. But you must accept that some beliefs cannot be tested nor verified. You claim that the so-called apologists are all fake, fantasy-based hucksters with a profit-driven (as opposed to prophet driven) agenda. There you go back to evidence again. Perhaps you are right and essentially win the argument that behavior can be tested. Perhaps you think that your church club is progressive and an improvement over the racist, sexist, exclusive beliefs of the Biblical Christians. And I will agree with all of you that our behavior could definitely be better. Ringo also has a point when he claims that we (or at least I) ignore what Jesus said to do. I know that sitting on the internet endlessly arguing these points does not help my case, but I am doing more every year and predict that the supernatural will soon come out of the closet....forcing the world at large to confront and unverifiable conclusion.The Kum-Ba_Ya all-inclusive lovey-dovey globalist (and even secular) "religion" is proving to be a clever counterfeit that will sell well. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

For the record, I agree that we are charged to try and do our best and not simply wait on Him to fix it. Personally, I do both. I don't see a conflict here.

Do you mean death? Or do you mean that someday our vaunted human wisdom and belief will proclaim our species as infinite and that no end will come ever in our genetic lineage?

yes.

Yes, what? Clarify what you mean, AiG. I need to leave for work now but will reply to your reply later. I hope you are doing well, by the way.

Read your post above.Where is there anything in what you post other than your marketing of your fantasies and the God and Holy Spirit that YOU create?You make claims but refuse to support your claims.I make claims about what is actually testable and provide the evidence that even you can test.Is there a difference in those two approaches?I do not claim to be a believer in some club, I am actually a registered member in that Club. The Anglican Church keeps records of each member and to which parish they are currently registered.Yes, I have mentioned the Episcopal Church but it is also clear from your response that you either were incapable of actually reading what I wrote or comprehending what you were reading. The Episcopal Church is not some globalist humanist one world religion but rather exactly the opposite. It recognizes that there is not some globalist humanist one world religion and should not be some globalist humanist one world religion but rather many different, unique and often misunderstood different paths and religions.It is the folk like you, silly childish "Biblical Christians" that believe they alone know the One True Religion, the One that Will Call and Rule Them All. Really Phat. Which of us believes that God will solve the problems and that it's not my job? Can't you even realize that it is you and the Apologists that create and market "God the Gofer".

If you liked "The Guns of August" the trilogy by Rick Atkinson --"The Liberation Trilogy" is something I think you'll like a lot.