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Author Topic:   the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.
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Message 82 of 160 (876219)
05-14-2020 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-14-2020 12:18 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
buddy you (all) are searching for the truth? no? i say the truth, and you don't let me

If what you're saying is the truth, then no, nobody here is searching for that.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 91 of 160 (876246)
05-15-2020 11:36 AM
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05-14-2020 4:53 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

You rely entirely on evidence. Which works ok for the age of the earth and origin of species, but not for the idea that God exists and is in communion with humanity...


Sure it does. The evidence shows that it doesn't make any difference whether there is a God or not - and that people who claim to be "in communion" with God are no more enlightened than anybody else.

Phat writes:

... should we want it.


That's just another copout. You who do want it are deriving no noticeable effect from it.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 95 of 160 (876322)
05-17-2020 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-17-2020 3:37 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
the evolution "gives" you permission to be "different in good" and i am not saying holy, above others.... evolution is pure satan

Evolution doesn't "give permission" for anything; it has nothing to do with right or wrong. Evolution is pure mechanical. It just does what works, like "rightie-tightie, leftie-loosie".

Religion, on the other hand, gives you permission to do whatever (you think) your God tells you to do.


"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 96 of 160 (876323)
05-17-2020 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-17-2020 5:39 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
theory of hitler is related with theory of darwin

Hitler believed that Jews were descended from apes but Aryans were created by God. He believed he was doing God's will by purifying the human race.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 110 of 160 (876344)
05-17-2020 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-17-2020 11:15 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
cristian_gavrilescu writes:

satanists can say they are christians, read this


So when you say you are a Christian, you might actually be a satanist.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 128 of 160 (876389)
05-18-2020 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Phat
05-18-2020 2:19 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

I have reason to believe that you are wrong in these assertions.


Then discuss them rationally. This is a discussion site, not your personal soapbox. If you can't back up what you say, keep it to yourself.

Phat writes:

There is so much that you don't understand about our dogmatic reasoning.


"Dogmatic reasoning" is an oxymoron. Dogma is by definition, without reason.

And I do understand your "thinking" (which is also an exaggeration). Remember, I used to be where you are.

Phat writes:

Either that or you think that you *do* understand yet find it unbelievable.


It is unbelievable that anybody could use their head and come up with such hooey.

Phat writes:

ringo writes:

The evidence shows that it doesn't make any difference whether there is a God or not - and that people who claim to be "in communion" with God are no more enlightened than anybody else.


Oh? Show me this evidence.

The evidence is you. The evidence shows that your "communion" has saddled you with an immense truckload of really, really stupid ideas.

Phat writes:

I have observed different conclusions.


You have been asked many times to back up that "conclusion" and you've never been able to do it.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 131 of 160 (876432)
05-19-2020 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-19-2020 3:07 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
delighting yourself with expensive things is a lifestyle,

If you knew me, you'd be embarassed.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 141 of 160 (876490)
05-21-2020 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-20-2020 2:06 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
cristian_gavrilescu writes:

when "science" search for an answer, they find 100 more questions


Yes. Science is humble.

Do you think you have all the answers?


"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 142 of 160 (876491)
05-21-2020 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Phat
05-20-2020 12:05 PM


Re: The Evidence Is You
Phat writes:

I'm better at speaking than I am at writing, however.


Copout.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 145 of 160 (876508)
05-21-2020 12:49 PM
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05-21-2020 12:27 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

Do you think that the answers already exist and are simply waiting to be "discovered" by humanity or do you believe that as we learn we ourselves create the answers through critical thinking?


As I just said in another thread a minute ago, there are no magical "answers" floating around out there waiting to be discovered. Answers are the result of questions and questions are the result of human thinking.

(It doesn't have to be critical thinking. Critical thinking is just more likely to come up with better questions.)

Phat writes:

Your answer will further explain your world view.


You should stop trying to tie my worldview (or anybody else's) up in a neat little package.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 147 of 160 (876523)
05-21-2020 3:59 PM
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05-21-2020 3:09 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

...your line of reasoning limits what Jesus actually told the Disciples about His character...


I'm the one who upholds what Jesus said and you're the one who denies it. Remember?

Phat writes:

... and reframes the reality as limiting Jesus to a character in a book...


Reality does limit Him to a character in a book. He has no other solid link to reality.

Phat writes:

... and irrelevant when it suits you...


You're the one who cherry-picks from the Book when it suits you and scoffs at it when it doesn't.

Phat writes:

... yet you have the audacity to charge me with ignoring what a character in a book says when it suits your argument.


I charge you with ignoring what's in the Book when you ignore what's in the Book. How can what suits me effect what you ignore?

Phat writes:

Stop calling bullshit on what is patently obvious.


Stop lying. I called bullshit on your claim that Christians are attacked more than any other religion. That is neither obvious nor even founded in fact.

Phat writes:

You call my belief BS simply because you wont consider it.


For fuck's sake, I HAVE considered it, as I have told you many times. I used to be where you are. By all appearances, I have considered it more carefully than you have.

Phat writes:

And yet you claim that I ignore what He said to do....if only you could see what we were doing last night....you would take back your claim.


Whatever you were doing last night has nothing to do with the fact that you deny what Jesus said.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 153 of 160 (876554)
05-22-2020 12:04 PM
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05-22-2020 2:22 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

What evidence do you have that suggests otherwise?


Have you ever heard of Jews?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 160 of 160 (881763)
08-29-2020 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Dredge
08-28-2020 8:49 PM


dredge writes:

Regarding the creation of Adam, please consider this possibility: God took the DNA (described as "dust/clay" in Genesis 2:7) of a pre-existing creature (a Homo sapien without a soul) and from it created Adam, after which God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden. separated from the rest of creation.
This may have happened about 10,000 years ago, because that is about the time history records great advances in civilization and inventions ...


Or some (biological) alien may have tweaked a pre-existing (evolved) creature's DNA to make it sapient (in a process having nothing whatever to do with "souls").

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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