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JonF
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Message 3862 of 4573 (875457)
04-26-2020 3:35 PM


What do you *really* think
Irish Times editorial
quote:
Will American prestige ever recover from this shameful episode? The US went into the coronavirus crisis with immense advantages: precious weeks of warning about what was coming, the world’s best concentration of medical and scientific expertise, effectively limitless financial resources, a military complex with stunning logistical capacity and most of the world’s leading technology corporations. Yet it managed to make itself the global epicentre of the pandemic.
As the American writer George Packer puts it in the current edition of the Atlantic, The United States reacted ... like Pakistan or Belarus — like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.
It is one thing to be powerless in the face of a natural disaster, quite another to watch vast power being squandered in real time — wilfully, malevolently, vindictively. It is one thing for governments to fail (as, in one degree or another, most governments did), quite another to watch a ruler and his supporters actively spread a deadly virus. Trump, his party and Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News became vectors of the pestilence.
The grotesque spectacle of the president openly inciting people (some of them armed) to take to the streets to oppose the restrictions that save lives is the manifestation of a political death wish. What are supposed to be daily briefings on the crisis, demonstrative of national unity in the face of a shared challenge, have been used by Trump merely to sow confusion and division. They provide a recurring horror show in which all the neuroses that haunt the American subconscious dance naked on live TV.
There's lots more.

  
JonF
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Message 3867 of 4573 (875505)
04-27-2020 2:25 PM


He may starve

  
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Message 3868 of 4573 (875507)
04-27-2020 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 3865 by Percy
04-27-2020 2:07 PM


Re: placing the graduating West Point class in harms way.
No More Mister Nice Blog: THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY IN SIX WORDS
Actually from WaPo: "Fulfill the president's needs and impulses".

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JonF
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Message 3882 of 4573 (875865)
05-08-2020 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3879 by marc9000
05-08-2020 9:30 AM


Re: No surprises there, then
Stubbornly refusing to make adjustments based on new information goes along with dictators like Kim Jong Un, not U.S. presidents.
Except Trump.

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JonF
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Message 3892 of 4573 (876125)
05-12-2020 8:54 PM


Postponed until... Never?
Kushner says as of now postponing the Presidential election is the plan.
https://twitter.com/Sifill_LDF/status/1260356910617890816

  
JonF
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Message 3893 of 4573 (876170)
05-13-2020 3:43 PM


Business as usual
Watchdog demands probe after Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette admits WH pressed Fed to give oil companies access to COVID-19 funds
quote:
We now know that Trump administration officials ‘worked very closely with the Federal Reserve’ to make these changes so taxpayer-backed loans would be available to oil and gas firms, tweeted Bharat Ramamurti, a member of the Congressional Oversight Commission. How do we know? The Energy Secretary went on TV and said so.[...]
The energy secretary went on to say that President Donald Trump personally directed him and Mnuchin to evaluate the programs that were passed by the Congress and ensure that there is access for these energy industries to those programs.
And that’s what we’ve done, said Brouillette.
Following Brouilette’s remarks, Ramamurti said the Congressional Oversight Commission should investigate these changes carefully.
These Fed facilities are not supposed to direct aid specifically to certain companies or industriesparticularly not ones that were in dire financial shape even before the coronavirus crisis began, said Ramamurti.
{emphasis added}

  
JonF
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Message 3894 of 4573 (876174)
05-13-2020 7:50 PM


Not out of the woods

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JonF
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Message 3913 of 4573 (876269)
05-16-2020 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 3912 by NosyNed
05-16-2020 12:52 AM


Re: Correct actions
Trump has a big reason for faking the death count.

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JonF
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Message 3929 of 4573 (876354)
05-17-2020 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3926 by marc9000
05-17-2020 3:22 PM


Re: Maybe a little planning is called for?
The same would not happen under any other President. Any other President wouldn't have wasted 70 days by denying and belittling the danger when he could have been preparing. Any other President wouldn't have fired the entire group dedicated to preparing for and then managing a pandemic. Any other President wouldn't have cut back our team in China. Any other President would have restocked the strategic stockpile (Obama tried but Moscow Mitch wouldn't let him have the money). Any other President would have used the incredible expertise of the military to move and distribute supplies. Any other President wouldn't have abdicated all responsibility. Any other President wouldn't have let the pandemic be a gold mine for profiteers. Any other President would have been a leader!
There's. more.
ABE We all know that Trump isn't responsible for the virus. He is 100% responsible for the the scope of the damage in the US.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by Admin, : Fix typo.

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JonF
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Message 3938 of 4573 (876396)
05-18-2020 5:49 PM


I think this makes sense. He argues that even fundamental rights such as free speech can be suspended in a sufficiently dire situation.
Update Your Browser | Facebook
I can’t copy anything but the entire text.

  
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Message 3942 of 4573 (876449)
05-20-2020 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3941 by Percy
05-20-2020 9:35 AM


Re: Trump Doubles Down on Hydroxychloroquine
Some have speculated that his doct is giving him a placebo.

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JonF
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Message 3946 of 4573 (876484)
05-20-2020 8:48 PM


Flynn’s head hasn't unrolled yet
Mike Flynn’s name was never ‘masked’ in FBI document which eliminates Trump’s claim of an ‘illegal leak’
quote:
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) announced that he wants to subpoena witnesses over the unmasking of Flynn. He sent a letter demanding Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell ask why a declassified list of Obama officials made the requests that revealed Flynn’s name in intelligence documents ‘did not contain a record showing who unmasked’ Flynn’s identity in relation to his phone call with the Russian diplomat, Sergey Kislyak, said the Post. [...]
When the FBI circulated [the report], they included Flynn’s name from the beginning, saying that it was essential to understanding its significance, a former senior U.S. official told the Post. There were, therefore, no requests for the unmasking of that information.

  
JonF
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Message 3947 of 4573 (876539)
05-21-2020 7:26 PM


Bait and switch
:Trump administration paying huge premium for mask-cleaning machines. Which don't do the job.
quote:
It sounded like a great deal: The White House coronavirus task force would buy a defense company’s new cleaning machines to allow critical protective masks to be reused up to 20 times. And at $60 million for 60 machines on April 3, the price was right.
But over just a few days, the potential cost to taxpayers exploded to $413 million, according to notes of a coronavirus task force meeting obtained by NBC News. By May 1, the Pentagon pegged the ceiling at $600 million in a justification for awarding the deal without an open bidding process or an actual contract. Even worse, scientists and nurses say the recycled masks treated by these machines begin to degrade after two or three treatments, not 20, and the company says its own recent field testing has only confirmed the integrity of the masks for four cycles of use and decontamination.
Nurses in several places across the country now say they are afraid of being at greater risk of acquiring COVID-19 while using N95 masks, which they say often don’t fit correctly after just a few spins through a cleaning system that uses vapor phase hydrogen peroxide to disinfect them
But you can be sure that they are taking care of what's really important: sucking as much taxpayer money as they can into rich people's pockets.

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JonF
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Message 3964 of 4573 (876731)
05-26-2020 7:31 PM


Twitter attaches a fact check to Trump tweets
Edited by Admin, : Change image of tweet to the tweet itself.

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JonF
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Message 3967 of 4573 (876771)
05-27-2020 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3966 by Percy
05-27-2020 7:27 AM


Re: Twitter attaches a fact check to Trump tweets
Tonight Trump's going to sign an Executive Order about social media.
This will definitely be horrible.

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