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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Taq writes: The S protein on the surface of the virus binds to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) found on alveolar cells deep in the lung, and that's how it gains a foothold. Does this mean that angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 is not found on exposed areas that might be touched or rubbed like skin, lips, eyes, etc., and so the virus cannot find purchase there?
However, you are still justified in taking all the precautions you deem necessary. You will never know if you overdid it, but you may find out if you underdid it. Stay safe!! We're hopeful that enough evidence soon mounts that we can cease some of the measures we're talking. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Remdesvir shortens recovery time Ars Technica
It’s a modest improvement- but still important. One of the worries is that health services may be overwhelmed and cutting the time patients need to stay in hospital will help. Interleukin 7 is being investigated BBC. The coronavirus interferes with T-cell production and interleukin may counter that effect.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Will Saudi Arabia cancel the Hajj?
quote: Super, mega spreaders Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
They could all just change their name to Dominic Cummings - they’d be alright then.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The argument that the cure shouldn't be worse than the disease has been noted many times, and more recently many have began seriously making this argument as a form of persuasion of how critical it is to reopen the country, but the argument doesn't have to be qualitative. Scientists and statisticians have had available for many years a way to make such comparisons. It is, for example, often used when comparing the cost of new car safety regulations against the cost in terms of human life.
This method assigns an actual cost to a human life, and the commonly accepted figure is about $10 million. If the novel coronavirus ends up costing a hundred thousand lives (it is already certain it will exceed that by quite a bit) then the cost of the virus so far in terms of human life is $1 trillion. The cost to the government so far is several trillion, and to the economy several more trillion, which argues that we've already spent too much. But that's the wrong way to look at it. You have to compare it to the cost in human life had we spent nothing. Most estimates are that around 2-3 million will have died by the end of the pandemic if did not shut down the economy. That cost in human life in terms of dollars would be $20-30 trillion. We're probably not that far off from spending somewhere in that neighborhood. The government will add to the trillions they've spent so far, and the economy will continue to shed trillions of dollars. We did the right thing by shutting down back in March (though shutting down earlier would have save many more lives), and we're doing the right thing now in carefully (in some places more than others) reopening. --Percy
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined:
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What this seem to forget and what I think will be found out by the end of June is that the virus will shut down a lot of commerce by itself. So if you don't take pretty drastic measures you don't get a poor health outcome and a good economy instead you get a very poor health outcome and an economic mess as well.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
On ABC's This Week Dr. Deborah Birx just said this:
quote: [AbE] Dr. Birx was also on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace where she said pretty much the same thing:
quote: [/AbE] There you have it. Social distancing applies when there are no masks. When everyone has a mask on you can get closer. How close? Still not known. And a shout out to NosyNed for his comment in Message 756, which was right on. --Percy Edited by Percy, : AbE.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
The elderly in general are close to 90 percent of all deaths, if I recall correctly.
I am not saying all deadly viruses will be like this, but there really does need to be a massive buildup of emergency homes for the elderly, ONLY to be used in a situation like this. Apartments or whatever. This is just sad, and we need to target the right spots, if we are going to be doing radical things, like the states have been doing. The federal government is on a spending spree that shatters all records, for its part . The one two punch of crushing state lockdowns, and the federal money down toilet flush HAVE BEEN WITHOUT VITAL TARGETING. This is an economy that is in the throes of total disaster and it is not ONLY due to the total lack of preparation, which explains why we are in the mess to start with. But the lack of protection for the vulnerable is causing the problem of the mushrooming death rate. Which fuels the dreadful 50 state lockdown that seems like it will never end.
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
On Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace Dr. Deborah Birx mentioned that it's okay to play tennis with marked balls so that you don't use each other's balls, and I'd like to offer some clarification.
First, what does she mean by using marked balls. She means you mark the balls by who is allowed to touch them with magic markers or sharpies, say a red dot for one player and a green dot for the other. Whether you use three balls (one can) or six balls (two cans), the red player can only touch balls with a red dot, and the green player can only touch balls with a green dot. This is the approach used by the USTA in the first professional tennis event in the United States since the shutdown. The men's event was staged at a solo private court in West Palm Beach, Florida, a couple weeks ago, and the women's event is being staged this weekend at the same location. There were no spectators and no ball boys. Linespeople were on chairs outside the fence. The red player is never supposed to touch a green ball, and vice versa. So how does the red player return a green ball to the other side? Easy. Those with few racket skills can just roll it back with a kick or a sweep of their racket. For those with more skills there are a variety of ways to pick up a ball without touching it, and those with soccer skills are particularly amazing. Once the ball is off the ground you just hit it back to the other side with your racket. But what about doubles? Everybody has to serve. You'd need four sets of balls to play doubles. That's absurd. So what are we amateur tennis players doing? From everything I've seen so far, nothing, other than maintaining social distancing. I'm the only person I know who brings isopropyl alcohol in a spray bottle and hand sanitizer in a squeeze bottle. Everyone playing uses one or the other. The balls are, of course, coronavirus free since they've just come out of the can (we never play with used balls, even before the pandemic). So the only possible source of coronavirus is player's pockets. We've decided that's an acceptable risk. By the way, about the possibility of catching covid-19 from a tennis ball, touching the ball is probably the least likely way. But any strong player with a hefty stroke who's played when the sun is at the right angle, usually a low angle near sundown, knows that every whack of the ball sends a torrent of tiny nap particles into the air. Think tennis players never breath those in? Think again. It's inevitable. So that USTA tournament down in West Palm Beach that thought they had covered all the most significant infection vectors with their distancing and marked balls and all that? Dead wrong. If one of the players was infected then he could not help but get droplets on the balls. When the other player struck the ball he would send virus covered nap particles into the air which he would then breath in. The lesson here is that it's not possible to be 100% safe. All we can do is the best we can and hope that that's enough to protect ourselves and others. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
LamarkNewAge writes: The elderly in general are close to 90 percent of all deaths, if I recall correctly. How old is elderly? The figure for covid-19 deaths among those 65 and older is around 80%. To get to 90% you'd probably have to include those over 60 and maybe even younger, but that is no longer what you would call an elderly population. The figure is skewed toward the elderly more than just age would cause by their high infection rate because of assisted living facilities and nursing homes. This causes the elderly to be overrepresented among the infected population. Among the elderly not living in large groups the infection rate is much lower. Here in New Hampshire the state is funding testing for everyone in assisted living facilities and nursing homes, but I don't know how frequently each patient is tested. In other words, you can't just test each patient once. You have to test each one periodically. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Americans defy Covid-19 social distancing rules to celebrate Memorial Day holiday | Coronavirus | The Guardian, says the headline at The Guardian. Are the images in that article typical, or are they isolated occurrences that required effort on the part of photographers to find? The first image doesn't identify the location, but it's the Ocean City, MD, boardwalk:
If the images are typical of gatherings across the US then there will be a clear spike in cases in 2-3 weeks (June 8 through June 22) and in deaths in 3-5 weeks (June 22 through July 6). Mitigating the deaths will be increasing experience of the medical establishment in dealing with the viral symptoms. Numbers should be down for the next few days because reporting of cases and deaths will be slowed by the holiday. I probably won't report numbers again before Wednesday. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Wow! It’s fun to play find the facemask with that picture. They’re doing as well as the crowd at Lake of the Ozarks that I saw. And meanwhile, my county went from two cases to twenty this past week.....
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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That's your own fault. If you insist on counting and reporting then of course you will get the bad news you want.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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See the happy moron
He does not give a damn! I wish I were a moron! My God, perhaps I am!
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
jar writes: But in recent history it is and has been far more likely that it is the US that is the initiator or armed conflicts. The US only initiates armed conflicts when the US severely outclasses the other army and feels confident it won't loose many troops. They also don't initiate armed conflict with other nuclear powers. Neither of these applies to China. Armed conflict between major nuclear powers is fought between proxy forces, and this has been the case since the Korean War. The Soviets fought the Afghan forces, and we happily supplied the Afghanis with weapons. China helped out N. Vietnam. We continue to help Ukraine with their struggles against Russia. If anything, there might be a proxy war over some land in the South China Sea at some point, but it won't see Chinese and US forces going head to head.
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