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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
How could a flood deposit the KT layer?
Exactly what people like Noah has the Nation of Israel recorded, and where are those recordings? The smart money is on no meaningful response.
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Is that layer not sedimentary and worldwide? Does not that layer have in it stuff (iridium) that science claims comes from deep under the earth and space? That is the same places the flood waters are said to have come from. How could it not be evidence?
I suspect it will come down to your belief based dating schemes. Israel had a class of officials called scribes. Their job was to carefully copy and preserve the record of what is now called Scripture. Edited by dad, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
You need to actually first learn what evidence is and then try to present so. So far no one has ever been able to present any evidence of the existence of Noah or a world-wide flood during the time humans existed.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Is that layer not sedimentary and worldwide?
Yes. Sedimentary does not necessarily mean laid underwater.
Does not that layer have in it stuff (iridium) that science claims comes from deep under the earth...
No. Iridium is very very rare on Earth, and there's no reason to believe there's oodles of it underground.
... and space?
Yes. But it's more complex than that. Near the Chicxulub Crater the layer is quite thick and chock full o' asteroid and impact material (shocked quartz, tektites,...). Farther away it is thinner and is a complex mixture of tsunami debris and more impact material. Farther yet it's thinner yet and loaded with impact material. Finally, farther yet, and comprising most of the world-wide layer, it's about a millimeter thick. See THE GLOBAL STRATIGRAPHY OF THE CRETACEOUS-TERTIARYBOUNDARY IMPACT EJECTAfor more detail. Your turn. You need to explain, with evidence, your claim that the layer is a remnant of a fludde: the source of the iridium, the meteorite material, the impact material, and the thickness variation of the layer as a function of distance from Chicxulub.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Israel had a class of officials called scribes. Their job was to carefully copy and preserve the record of what is now called Scripture.
Cool. Note that the Bible is not a history or science book. Do you have any extra-biblical evidence for Noah/Gilgamesh actually existing, and the time at which he existed?
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Please note that your opinion of what is history and accepted is rejected out of hand. The bible is a history book.
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:So you can rule out the KT layer being laid underwater...how exactly? Let's look at that. quote: Or not! But even if most of it came from the heavens, when windows of heaven were opened, so what? The places science says it comes from are the same places flood waters came from.
quote:Yes, I know, and the shocked/impacted material was impacted from below to above or above to below? You can prove the direction of impact...how? quote: From your link " alternative views also exist, mostly related to volcanism (Officer & Page 1996). The conflicting evidence seems to result from the complete alteration of the layer and the frequently strong bioturbation, which has led to different interpretations of the ejecta products." "Four types of ejecta deposits can be distinguished: (a) the distal settings, global in scale, where an ejecta layer that is a few millimeters thick has survived, (b) the continental Western Interior, with 1- to 2-cm-thick ejecta layers in coal-swamp deposits, (c) the Gulf of Mexico region, associated with high-energy clastic deposits, and (d) ejecta blanket deposits, up to 3.5 crater radii away from the crater rim." http://www.sciencebuzz.org/...mages/K-T_Boundary.preview.jpg How big a layer would you expect if the flood was only a few months long before the world was underwater?
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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No it isn't. The history is written in the earth, not in books.
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
False. The interpretation of what we see in nature is not written. It is interpreted using beliefs by 'science'.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The bible is a history book. You said you would always provide evidence for your claims. We knew that was false when you wrote it, and we have seen that we were right. You're just making up BS as you go along. You are far too ignorant to have any useful or interesting discussion with you. Bye-bye
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Well, science works. I think you don't understand what science is exactly. It's not a belief system its just a framework (backed by evidence) of what we observe of the world and how things work to the best of our current knowledge. As we observe more science makes corrections to better represent the newly revealed reality. You seem to have an issue with reality.
Edited by kjsimons, : typo
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
dad writes: Actually the Bible isn't just a book it is a library of 66 books, with hundreds of authors over hundreds of years. Collectively they provide of narrative of the progressive understanding of the nature and purposes of God climaxing in the accounts of Jesus and His resurrection. In some of the 66 books there is history written with the biases of the scribes. Please note that your opinion of what is history and accepted is rejected out of hand. The bible is a history book. If the Genesis accounts are understood as actual history I suggest that you miss out on what the God would have you get out of it. At its most fundamental it is that we are to choose good over evil, and that we are to lovingly care for His creation. We are to choose self giving love as our fundamental basis for life. It isn't intended to be a scientific account of how creation came into existence but a mythological account from which we can gain philosophical truth. Please let science work out how God did it and simply focus on God's call on your life which is all about being a loving neighbour to all, and about loving stewardship for all of God's creation. That is the fundamental message that God has for us in the Bible. If you try and take the Bible the way you seem to be it is making a false idol out of the Bible. We are Christians and not Bibleians. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Or any evidence against that record.
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
You have your beliefs, why would I expect you to accept anything that doesn't fit into your little chosen box of beliefs?
I accept the ancient record that Israel carefully carried down over ages as evidence of people that once lived. You are not in a position to say what is evidence or not, only to deny and reject evidences you don't like.
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dad Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:No need, we were already told and science has no clue anyhow.
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