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dad
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Message 1307 of 1498 (876947)
05-30-2020 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1306 by Coragyps
05-30-2020 1:25 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations exist independent of your beliefs.
It took many years for science to figure out how photosynthesis and growth works here in this nature. Why would you expect them or others to know how it works in a different nature?
That is like saying, how does a tree grow new fruit every month, and a different new fruit on the same tree each month as we are told will happen in the future? No one in science knows. Nor does anyone else today. That doesn't mean we could claim it will never happen.
Same with the record of the past. If people live 1000 years or trees grow in weeks we can't say it did not happen. Nor can we say how it happened. Yet when science claims ancient tree rings or isotope ratios (etc) represent things formed in our present nature, they are saying the things I mentioned could not happen.
If you want to claim that rules of this present nature applied you need to show us that it existed. Not just believe real hard and model the past on those beliefs!

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Message 1308 of 1498 (876948)
05-30-2020 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1305 by ringo
05-30-2020 1:19 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
All the science done by any scientist is recent and in this nature. It is your belief and claim it always existed on earth. You cannot support that. So remember never ever ever to call it science.

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Message 1313 of 1498 (876978)
06-01-2020 3:25 AM
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05-31-2020 9:13 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Looking at that post, I ignored nothing. It is all based on a belief in a same nature in the past. Why ignore that? Prove it!

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Message 1314 of 1498 (876979)
06-01-2020 3:25 AM
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05-31-2020 1:13 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Nor do you get to use beliefs as a definition for science.

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Message 1315 of 1498 (876980)
06-01-2020 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1309 by AZPaul3
05-30-2020 5:23 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
No one cares what you believe. You either have evvidence for the same nature in the past that you use in models or not.

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dad
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Message 1321 of 1498 (877588)
06-19-2020 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1316 by Tangle
06-01-2020 4:27 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
If I answer will you say it is an assertion?

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Message 1322 of 1498 (877593)
06-19-2020 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1305 by ringo
05-30-2020 1:19 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
No. When you believe nature on earth was the same in the past you use a preset belief. When you assume time in the far universe is the same as here, you use a belief. Be honest.

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Message 1325 of 1498 (877742)
06-21-2020 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1324 by ringo
06-19-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
I see. A default belief. OK. Do you claim beliefs default or otherwise are science?

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Message 1326 of 1498 (877743)
06-21-2020 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1317 by AZPaul3
06-01-2020 6:31 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Your evidence is that you have no evidence then. OK.

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Message 1327 of 1498 (877744)
06-21-2020 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1319 by JonF
06-01-2020 9:52 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Funny thing is that if creation started the ball rolling, we would have seen a certain percentage of ratios from the getgo. I guess that is a matter of belief, not knowing. Then, if some processes in a different nature also worked on that original ratio that would have affected it also. Then, we know our nature affected things also. Your belief is that only our nature and nothing else is the cause of all ratios we see. I hope you can see why some people view that as belief based and not really science.

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Message 1328 of 1498 (877745)
06-21-2020 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1323 by Tangle
06-19-2020 3:10 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Well, OK then you want us to state a belief. My belief is that the dates science uses are belief based and must be rejected out of hand and whole of cloth for all dates involving billions or millions or hundreds of thousands of years. I would side with the belief that all the universe and the world is only several thousand years old.

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Message 1332 of 1498 (877761)
06-21-2020 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1331 by AZPaul3
06-21-2020 1:31 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
So you again admit that your evidence is that you have absolutely no evidence. Interesting religion.

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dad
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Message 1333 of 1498 (877762)
06-21-2020 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1330 by ringo
06-21-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
When a question is asked about the unknown the real default is 'I don't know'. You can call your beliefs a conclusion all you like. The conclusion based on beliefs is not knowledge, fact or real science.

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dad
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Message 1334 of 1498 (877763)
06-21-2020 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1329 by Tangle
06-21-2020 12:37 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
Why? Easy. I think that the so called sates are bogus. The reasons for the dates and the basis for them is totally belief based.

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Message 1338 of 1498 (877799)
06-21-2020 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1336 by Tangle
06-21-2020 5:19 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
And I am not asking you to accept the evidence...only to stop pretending you have anything but beliefs. No one has amassed a shred of evidence for your claims of old ages etc. You have plastered beliefs over evidences. Big difference.
Edited by dad, : No reason given.

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