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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I read the topic. I stand by my summation. I respect your methodology as much as I respect secular science, but it must be pointed out how the two approaches differ. I believe that the cartoon describes it quite well.
You have a right to voice your methodology as do your opponents. My hope is that everyone gets better at expressing themselves and stops the personal attacks (and reactions to such attacks) Hopefully, we here at EvC are learning to coexist. Nobody is being singled out or banned (or even suspended) because we all have earned our place here at EvC. It is unfortunate that you do not have too many other creationists to help you make your case. Usually, I enjoy reading what you have to say. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Percy writes:
Faith has already basically answered your question.
The thread's originator should begin talking about what's in the book. So far the originator is avoiding their own topic and being unresponsive to questions about it.Faith,msg 1 writes: Faith is making it plain that she started this topic as a place to voice her views without appeasing the Left through the demand to provide evidence backing the validity of her views.
I gave up a long time ago saying anything about it here or to anyone except people who share my views.Faith writes: As the moderator of this thread, I am relaxing my demands to focus solely on the book, as the responses have been more civil of late. If the thread gets out of line, I may close it at times until people simmer down...but you all are doing better so far. Guilty as charged. Please act accordingly.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You must mean this.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sorry I overlooked these. Both look like well thought out topics.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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You have the RIGHT Idea. God knows none of us would want to get LEFT Behind!
On a serious note, though Faith Do you honestly think that the Leftists will get Left behind while Heaven is full of Right Wing Authoritarians? I can almost guarantee that as many will be chosen from both political spectrums equally. God is no respecter of persons nor political ideologies. Quit defending the Right and attacking the Left. You are wasting your time here on earth in so doing. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If by moderators you mean me, I was participating only as a member. All I did was promote the new member in the hope that he would be welcomed rather than criticized right off the bat. I am beginning to agree with Theodoric's early assessment that the topic was answered and should be closed only because Ski seems to no longer be participating. Though I did rant and go off-topic, a fact I will readily admit, I would never go so far as to suspend a group of ideologues simply for dogpiling a conservative. If I did, that group would whine far louder than Faith ever does...about unfairness, and moderator responsibility and oppression and bias and unprofessionalism and all that schtick. The point of my rant, though it leaned personal, was that either side of the political spectrum can be capable of unforgiving attitudes. You cant simply hide behind science forever...it can only do so much for your case.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Actually I can see Percy's logic. Faith wants to be seen as the righteous one. She begs to be suspended because in her mind it would prove that EvC is a leftist totalitarian site. All that is happening, however, is that she is being asked to stop pigeonholing every argument into a Leftist Agenda Conspiracy, and she refuses to do so, getting ever more creative at finding new ways to bash in minds. We all are somewhat guilty of this at times, for our forum has become a small group of people who know each others habits and attitudes...sort of like a huge dysfunctional family. I do feel Faith is being singled out, but only as a test dummy. Percy is refining the software. She insists that Trump is a good authoritarian and supports Republican Authoritarianism for the good of the country yet balks at authoritarian censorship preventing hate speech at her own local watering hole. But as has been pointed out, we all can clearly see what she is saying if we so choose. Basically the default option--for her anyway--is to have lost the right to be heard. It is now a privilege for her viewers to hear her. It is no longer a right that they MUST do so.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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AZ writes: I don't plan on promoting any more PNT's from Richard for at least a couple of months, and I agree with you that he should address questions in a science thread. I will try and pin him down as to why he does not address these questions, assuming of course that everyone is being professional. Be right back. I suggest Richard's pending thread on information be held in abeyance until the questions raised in this present thread are addressed.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Thanks jar.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I wish I had the authorization to simply delete them. Percy does, and he will see this eventually and tidy up this lil spammy mess. For the record, I did try and move both of them to the spam folder where they will disappear from our view.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I think I got this batch cleaned up. This time I moved them to the spam folder without leaving them closed in the PNTs but simply moving them. I hope I did that right.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Im just trying to clean up the PNT Folder by not leaving them there to clutter it up.
Rather than close the copy of the spam, I simply move it kit&kaboodle out of PNT into Spam. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I got ya chief.
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I second that request.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: And your 2 is Phat. Just sayin'Am I missing some subtlety here? The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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