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Message 481 of 524 (877067)
06-03-2020 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 480 by Percy
06-03-2020 7:25 AM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
Percy writes:

Americans must protest in all ways possible the turning of our country into a police state that targets all those who aren't blessed by accidents of birth with the mark of privilege: whiteness.

Not quite.

Some White, Anglo-Saxon, Evangelical Christians can stay.

White Jews must go.

White Catholics must go.

White Progressive Christians that are not Progressive Primitive Baptists must go and even those are suspect.

White Muslims must go.

White Atheists must go.

White homosexuals must go.

White Transgenders must go.

White Liberals must go!

Unless they are needed to cut the grass or pick the produce or clean the toilets or pick up the garbage; they can stay as long as they stay away.

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Message 482 of 524 (877071)
06-03-2020 10:59 AM
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06-03-2020 7:25 AM


Re: Censorship is bad. Who knew?
quote:
When a government does not want reported what it is doing they silence the press.

Yeah, it's terrible when small-minded tyrants attempt to censor the truth.


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Message 483 of 524 (877095)
06-04-2020 9:23 AM
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05-30-2020 1:03 PM


Re: Jimmy Kimmel Speaks Out
Percy writes:

This isn't about police shootings but police treatment of minorities

To add talk of some things the police can do to actually change this problem:

Adjust the system of accountability on police.
-perhaps this involves more police cameras
-perhaps this involves changing the way police can report other-police such that they won't get ostracized and lost all their own pension and job for "trying to do the right thing."
-perhaps this involves changing training methods and classes
-perhaps this involves changing the "protect our own" culture found in many police/fireman/law-enforcement type environments
-perhaps this involves changing how police complaints from the public are handled internally
-perhaps this involves changing how police funding filters through the department (focus on "performance" rather than something similar to "tenure.")


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Message 484 of 524 (877124)
06-05-2020 6:13 AM
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06-03-2020 7:37 AM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
I'm not understanding your point. Is it deadpan humor? Irony? Satire? My opinion is that it is a mistake to paint "white" as a newly oppressed group. You will simply cause more conflict. And no, I will not trim the hedges or mow the lawn. My position is equal to any other group. I am no longer entitled to more, but I certainly won't settle for less. Don't fan the flames. The issue of Floyd is not a black thing or an anti-white thing. It is human behavior in general.

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Message 485 of 524 (877126)
06-05-2020 8:23 AM
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06-05-2020 6:13 AM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
The issue of Floyd is not a black thing or an anti-white thing. It is human behavior in general.

Says the white man who thinks he's not a part of the problem.

The very public murder of George Floyd is very much a "black thing" and yes it stems from a rather unique flavor of general American behavior called institutional racism. Humans have an "us vs them" mentality seemingly embedded in our psyche but in America we have refined the principle to such an extent that we openly hunt down and kill blacks in our streets seemingly for sport.

Don't talk to the black community. Shut up and listen to the black community. We can't experience it. We have no idea how deep this society keeps cutting "those" people.


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Message 486 of 524 (877160)
06-05-2020 5:03 PM
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Re: The Silencing of the Press
Phat writes:

The issue of Floyd is not a black thing or an anti-white thing. It is human behavior in general.

Unfortunately, part of human behavior is racial bias. If a police officer pulls over a Mercedes-Benz sedan driven by a well off white dude, do you think he has his hand on his gun ready to fire at first sign of a threatening move? Probably not. However, that is how some police officers treat minorities when they are pulled over. That doesn't even get into how often black people are pulled over for the most innocuous behavior, as compared to the richer and whiter counterparts. We even had Sherriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona who was convicted of racial profiling.

I do appreciate what you are saying, but we shouldn't ignore the problem of racial bias that does exist.


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Message 487 of 524 (877163)
06-05-2020 6:00 PM
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06-05-2020 5:03 PM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
Tara Adcock Padilla
June 3 at 10:38 PM · Shared with Public

Please everyone share this and ask your friends to share ...
Borrowed: This is from Caroline Crockett Brock

I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south, and today was the first time I spoke frankly about racism with a black man.

When Ernest, my appliance repairman, came to the front door, I welcomed him in. As this was his second visit and we’d established a friendly rapport, I asked him how he was feeling in the current national climate. Naturally, he assumed I was talking about the coronavirus, because what white person actually addresses racism head on, in person, in their own home?

When Ernest realized I wanted to know about his experience with racism, he began answering my questions.
What’s it like for you on a day-to-day basis as a black man? Do cops ever give you any trouble?

The answers were illuminating.

Ernest, a middle-aged, friendly, successful business owner, gets pulled over in Myrtle Beach at least 6 times a year. He doesn’t get pulled over for traffic violations, but on the suspicion of him being a suspect in one crime or another. Mind you, he is in uniform, driving in a work van clearly marked with his business on the side. They ask him about the boxes in his car--parts and pieces of appliances. They ask to see his invoices and ask him why there is money and checks in his invoice clipboard. They ask if he’s selling drugs. These cops get angry if he asks for a badge number or pushes back in any way. Everytime he is the one who has to explain himself, although they have no real cause to question him.

Ernest used to help folks out after dark with emergencies. Not anymore. He does not work past dinnertime, not because he doesn’t need the business, but because it isn’t safe for him to be out after dark. He says “There’s nothing out there in the world for me past dark”.

Let me say that again. Ernest, a middle aged black man in uniform cannot work past dark in Myrtle Beach in 2020 because it’s not safe for him. He did not say this with any kind of agenda. It was a quiet, matter of fact truth.

A truth that needs to be heard.

When I asked Ernest what ethnic terms he gets offended at, he said that the most offensive term people use is ‘boy’. Ernest has a bachelors in electronics and an associates in HVAC. He is not a ‘boy’, and the term ‘boy’ in the south implies inferiority in station and status. He came to Myrtle Beach and got a job at Hobart. The supervisor repeatedly used the term ‘boy’. Ernest complained. After several complaints Ernest was fired.

Ernest says most white people are a little scared of him, and he’s often put in a position where he has to prove himself, as though he’s not qualified to repair appliances.

After getting a job for 2 years at Sears appliance, Ernest started his own company, one he’s been running for several years. He is the best repairman we’ve had, and has taught me about washer dryers and how to maintain them myself, even helping me with another washer/dryer set and a dishwasher without charging me. I highly recommend his company, Grand Strand Appliance.

I asked Ernest what he thought of “black bike week” in Myrtle Beach, where thousands of black people come with bullet bikes and trash our town. He says it hurts black people in our city, and he disagrees with the NAACP coming in to sue businesses that close on black bike week. He hates working that week.

Ernest doesn’t have hope that racism will change, no matter who the president is. His dad taught him “It’s a white man’s world”, and he’s done his best to live within it.

When I asked him what I could do, he said, “everyone needs to pray and realize we’re all just one country and one people”.

I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south. I can begin healing our country by talking frankly with African Americans in my world---by LISTENING to their lived experience and speaking up. I can help by actively promoting black owned businesses. That’s what I can do today. Let’s start by listening and lifting up. It’s that simple.
#listenandlift

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Edit: I asked Ernest if I could take his picture and post our conversation on facebook. He thought it was a great idea. As he left my house an hour later, he looked me in the eye and said, "If you ever march, or have a meeting on this topic, or want to change things in Myrtle Beach, I'll stand with you."
What a great idea. Let's begin standing together.
===

Edit: 1pm EST on 6/1. Ernest just called me and we had one of the sweetest moments, both laughing and crying about the response to this post. He started the conversation by saying, "Caroline, I don't know if I should kill you or kiss you--my phone is ringing off the hook!"

He doesn't have a FB profile, so he's coming over later so I can help him set one up. He's been absolutely overwhelmed, as have I, with the response. We're going to be sitting down together to read your comments. They mean so much. In addition, the Myrtle Beach city manager has contacted me and I'm getting all of us together to be sure this doesn't happen in our city any longer. THANK YOU WORLD.

Edit 6/2 9am. Just got off the phone with Ernest and the local news. They will be interviewing us today, and it will be on the local news in Myrtle beach tonight. I'll post it on my page later.

This is how we change our country. Normal folks. One town at a time. ❤️

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add a bunch of blank lines after apparent paragraphs.


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Message 488 of 524 (877171)
06-06-2020 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 487 by xongsmith
06-05-2020 6:00 PM


Re: The Silencing of the Press
That actually made me cry. The last time that happened was when my dad died years ago.

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Message 489 of 524 (877187)
06-07-2020 9:28 AM


Bad Apples and Spoilt Barrels
They say that one bad apple spoils the barrel, and it seems that there are a lot of spoilt barrels around the US.

Buffalo is a case in point. You can call the cops who shoved an elderly protestor and refused to help him when he fell and was knocked out bad apples. But the rest of the riot squad who resigned rather than accept that the bad apples needed to be disciplined, and the people who cheered the two after they were charged with assault are a whole spoilt barrel.

Removing the bad apples is not enough - though that’s been neglected for far too long. Those spoilt barrels need to be dealt with two.


  
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Message 490 of 524 (877205)
06-08-2020 11:03 AM
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Re: The Silencing of the Press

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Percy
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Message 491 of 524 (877206)
06-08-2020 11:13 AM


An Amber Ruffin Story
Amber Ruffin is one of the writers and occasional on-air talent on Seth Myer's Late Night. Over four nights she told one story each night about an encounter with the police. This isn't about police shootings, but each of her stories could have ended that way. Here is one of her stories:

--Percy


  
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Message 492 of 524 (877207)
06-08-2020 11:20 AM


A Reminder of the Toll
From the Washington Post: Police promised reforms. They still fatally shoot nearly 1,000 people every year.

Arrests and convictions are exceptionally difficult to obtain:

quote:
Since 2005, 110 nonfederal law enforcement officers have been charged with murder or manslaughter for shooting someone on duty, Stinson’s records show. From those ranks, 42 officers were convicted of a crime — often a lesser offense — while 50 were not, their cases usually ending with acquittals or dismissals. More than a dozen cases are pending, according to Stinson.

The word "impunity" comes to mind.

--Percy


  
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Message 493 of 524 (877209)
06-08-2020 11:35 AM


A Word on Impunity
An opinion piece from the Washington Post: Police think they can get away with anything. That’s because they usually do.

One core point is that complaint systems do not work, especially for minorities:

quote:
These patterns demonstrate the larger truth that too often, instead of operating as an effective check on police abuses, complaint systems serve to further disempower poor, minority community members. The system offers the illusion that the police are listening to all residents, but they aren’t. Moreover, by repeatedly siding with officers, the systems encourage officers to adopt a mind-set that when black and brown citizens object to what they’re doing, they are almost always wrong; that reinforces officers’ sense of untouchability.

--Percy


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Message 494 of 524 (877210)
06-08-2020 11:41 AM
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Re: The Silencing of the Press
Hi Percy. Her Facebook page is saying the link is broken or the page has been removed. Do we know what’s happened to it ?

Thanks.

ABE - working now.

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Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 495 of 524 (877211)
06-08-2020 12:01 PM
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Re: The Silencing of the Press
That's odd, it works for me.

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