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ICANT
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Message 286 of 794 (877383)
06-14-2020 4:06 PM
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06-14-2020 12:53 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Hi Phat,
Phat writes:
Maybe so, but I don't see Jesus and God as two separate entities.
You are made in the image of God. You have a mind, body, and Spirit.
God the Father=Mind (all knowledge).
God the Son=God in a physical body.
God the Holy Spirit= Spirit.
So yes God has 3 different manifestations making Him a triune being.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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jar
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Message 287 of 794 (877385)
06-14-2020 5:29 PM
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06-14-2020 3:55 PM


Some folk ask truly pointless questions
The CONTENT of any message.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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ICANT
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Message 288 of 794 (877386)
06-14-2020 9:20 PM
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06-14-2020 5:29 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi jar,
jar writes:
The CONTENT of any message
So where could I find a source for Biblical doctrine CONTENT that would be accepted by you?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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jar
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Message 289 of 794 (877387)
06-15-2020 7:28 AM
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06-14-2020 9:20 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
ICANT writes:
So where could I find a source for Biblical doctrine CONTENT that would be accepted by you?
I very much doubt that YOU could.

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ICANT
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Message 290 of 794 (877400)
06-15-2020 2:11 PM
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06-15-2020 7:28 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi jar,
jar writes:
I very much doubt that YOU could.
That was my conclusions as you have your own source in your mind.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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jar
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Message 291 of 794 (877403)
06-15-2020 3:10 PM
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06-15-2020 2:11 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
All doctrine just like all of the contents of the Bible are the product of human minds. Just as there is no such thing as "The Bible" there is no such thing as "The Biblical Doctrine".

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Phat
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Message 292 of 794 (877409)
06-15-2020 6:12 PM
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06-15-2020 3:10 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
jar writes:
All doctrine just like all of the contents of the Bible are the product of human minds. Just as there is no such thing as "The Bible" there is no such thing as "The Biblical Doctrine".
This is another support for your beliefs. I cannot say that you are wrong any more than you should say that I'm wrong. If what you say is true, it eliminates the belief that God speaks through scripture. Let the audience note what jar is revealing.
Here is what jar believes.(correct me if I'm wrong, jar. )
1) GOD if GOD exists is unknowable and evidently wants it to be that way. In jars philosophy, humans are expected to learn from the examples of Jesus life and could just as easily learn from Confucius,Mencius, Gandhi, or Samuel Clemons. Thus Christianity is philosophically inclusive and can be practiced by any and all people. The basic doctrine is that we are charged to do what Jesus,(character in the book) said to do. Had Jesus been only a character in a book, it would not matter. Even if GOD did not exist, the human derived "charge" would still remain.
To be fair, jar thinks that the mainstream Biblical Christians are liars, believe in exclusivity,fantasy, and being chosen, lazy (expecting God to do all the work) and illiterate, since we all know that only a few folk like jar read the Bible "honestly" and use logic, reason, and reality to determine what it says and are taught never to embellish or add to the story. jar believes that GOD may actually exist yet admits that there is no way to test while we are alive. He claims that Biblical Christians create the God that they want and repeatedly tells his audience how pitiful and sad this is. Either jar chose these arguments simply to debate and force his Biblical Christian opponents to defend their world view with scripture or jar believes in a diametrically opposing belief of Christianity than I do.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 293 of 794 (877410)
06-15-2020 6:19 PM
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06-15-2020 7:28 AM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
I very much doubt that YOU could.
To be fair, neither could you. At best you would spread false doctrine that it was all man-made. You would never accept the source that we believe is true because you are unable to test for it. Granted you ask us how to test for it and point out that nobody can prove it to you. Scripture tells us that signs and wonders follow those who believe, yet you will never honestly take the risk of believing without prior evidence. Thus you checkmated yourself.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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jar
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Message 294 of 794 (877411)
06-15-2020 6:19 PM
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06-15-2020 6:12 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Again Phat; nothing but word salad and not a even an attempt at supporting what you wish to market.

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ICANT
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Message 295 of 794 (877413)
06-15-2020 7:56 PM
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06-15-2020 6:12 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Phat,
Phat writes:
This is another support for your beliefs.
Not support just an excuse.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Phat
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Message 296 of 794 (877417)
06-15-2020 10:44 PM
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06-15-2020 7:56 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Hi Pastor. I've quibbled with jar for years. He supports his arguments based on what he perceives to be the most logical and evidence based explanation of what the scriptures say. But I have problems with his world view and consider it more dangerous than he considers ours to be.
jar writes:
And yet you never provide the method, model, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow someone to know.
Its quite evident. Paul lays it out in the basic apologetic taken directly from the book of Romans.
jar writes:
What you believe is totally irrelevant; it is what is actually written that determines what is actuality not what the Apologists claim it really should have said.
And yet you still place God in an unknowable box based soley on the logic and brainwashed critical thinking of Joe Wood and the Socratic teachers from St.Johns. You represent the world view of many of the atheists and humanist skeptics today, but with the added danger that you claim Christianity. Thank God your "club" is in the minority. As for you, Pastoir ICANT, I dont fully support Young Earth Creationism even if the apologists argue that its Bibloical...but I DO support the Virgin Birth, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, and the belief that Jesus is very God of God. What puzzles me is why people are either so supportive or so dismissive of this belief.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 297 of 794 (877418)
06-15-2020 10:49 PM
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06-15-2020 6:19 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
This is what you always say. I wont fall into your trap. You ask how I know? I believed and was changed---transformed---and yes....chosen. God doe not simply choose all people. They have to want to check their brains at His door and allow Him to use them as He wishes. You wont understand this now nor will anyone here at EvC but you will find it a plausible option when the world as you know it starts to crumble.
And Im not gleefully speaking death and negativity here. God does not threaten us to join Him or die. God simply is like oxygen. You need Him to live.

The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Tangle
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Message 298 of 794 (877424)
06-16-2020 3:02 AM
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06-15-2020 10:49 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Phat writes:
I believed and was changed---transformed---and yes....chosen.
It's called a delusion. They common psychological events. When the don't involve religion, we generally recommend medical help.
God doe not simply choose all people.
And you have never been able to explain why this is so, or even understand how, if what you say is true, that it's an incredibly evil idea.
They have to want to check their brains at His door and allow Him to use them as He wishes.
That's just moronic. Why the fuck would anyone sane do that?
You wont understand this now nor will anyone here at EvC but you will find it a plausible option when the world as you know it starts to crumble.
And there's the 'doom, doom, doom' cry that's always threatened but never arrives.
And Im not gleefully speaking death and negativity here. God does not threaten us to join Him or die.
Yet that's exactly what you say he is doing!
God simply is like oxygen. You need Him to live.
Evidentially and very obviously untrue. I'm doing well thanks. Along with billions of others that don't believe in your god and this kind of delusionary drivel.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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jar
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Message 299 of 794 (877429)
06-16-2020 7:49 AM
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06-15-2020 10:49 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Phat writes:
I believed and was changed---transformed---and yes....chosen.
How did you change? What was the evidence of that transformation?

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Message 300 of 794 (877431)
06-16-2020 10:19 AM
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06-15-2020 6:12 PM


Re: Some folk ask truly pointless questions
Phat writes:
... only a few folk like jar read the Bible "honestly" and use logic, reason, and reality to determine what it says and are taught never to embellish or add to the story.
More than a few. Many of us on grew up believing the same drivel that you preach and reverse-engineering our "experiences" to fit what we had been taught. For many of us it was reading the Bible honestly that freed us from your beliefs.
Edited by ringo, : Spellig.

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