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ramoss
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Message 556 of 560 (877389)
06-15-2020 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by GDR
06-14-2020 5:00 PM


Re: It is about sacrificial love
The Gospels were written by either an eye witness or by someone with direct access to the eyewitnesses. They wrote what they believed to be historically accurate, even though there was in all likelihood some metaphor or hyperbole included in that. That has been agreed upon.

That is the claim. I do not see any evidence that claim is actually true. If fact, the internal evidence shows the first is not true, and shows it is highly unlikely for the second.


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ringo
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Message 557 of 560 (877392)
06-15-2020 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 554 by Phat
06-14-2020 2:30 PM


Re: It is about sacrificial love
Phat writes:

You dont get to determine validity except perhaps tentatively until more evidence is found.


Wrong. If there's a lack of evidence for the claim, the claim is invalid by default. That isn't "me" determining validity. That's how all thinking people determine validity, including you. Remember the claims about fairies and leprechauns? Without evidence, they're considered invalid, by even you.

Phat writes:

Unless of course the forum dismisses my personal experience as invalid.


Your INTERPRETATION of your experiences is dismissed as invalid - i.e. you have misinterpreted your experiences.

Phat writes:

I suppose you all could do that, though its not cricket.


Not only is it cricket, it's standard procedure.

Phat writes:

Evidence is only the default in the Science side of the Forum.


No. Evidence ALWAYS trumps belief.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 558 of 560 (877394)
06-15-2020 10:47 AM
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06-14-2020 5:00 PM


Re: It is about sacrificial love
GDR writes:

The Gospels were written by either an eye witness or by someone with direct access to the eyewitnesses. They wrote what they believed to be historically accurate, even though there was in all likelihood some metaphor or hyperbole included in that. That has been agreed upon.


I don't know who has agreed to that. Not me. We're talking about "eyewitnesses" to events - e.g. the resurrection - that many of us don't believe ever happened.

You've already shot yourself in the foot by pointing out that fiction wasn't even invented until centuries later. The Gospel authors could not have "intended" to write non-fiction when there was not yet a clear distinction between fiction amd non-fiction.


"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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GDR
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Message 559 of 560 (877401)
06-15-2020 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by ramoss
06-15-2020 9:43 AM


Re: It is about sacrificial love
GDR writes:

The Gospels were written by either an eye witness or by someone with direct access to the eyewitnesses. They wrote what they believed to be historically accurate, even though there was in all likelihood some metaphor or hyperbole included in that. That has been agreed upon.

ramoss writes:

That is the claim. I do not see any evidence that claim is actually true. If fact, the internal evidence shows the first is not true, and shows it is highly unlikely for the second.

I realize that this is in the coffee house forum but I think this is too big a topic for this and I have been uncomfortable for quite a while writing under a heading that really should have been a lament for Chris Hitchens. As a result I'll start a new thread to answer bot yours and ringo's post.

Edited by GDR, : typo


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Message 560 of 560 (877425)
06-16-2020 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 559 by GDR
06-15-2020 2:47 PM


Re: It is about sacrificial love
GDR writes:

I realize that this is in the coffee house forum but I think this is too big a topic for this and I have been uncomfortable for quite a while writing under a heading that really should have been a lament for Chris Hitchens.

Good idea. Lets let Hitch rest in peace. Closing For Now.

Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


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