When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?

Then how can you not question your understanding? That's entirely different. Science is self-correcting. It automatically questions itself. Speak for yourself. You are wilfully in denial but that doesn't mean all of us are. That statement seems to be floating in the void with no relationship to anything else you said. It is not a reason for rejecting science.Yes, we do think some actions are allowable and pleasurable but that has nothing to do with reverence for God. Believers are no different.

If you're going to defend them, defend what they say. Don't just deny, deny, deny.

What is there to discuss? You dismiss the Bible as a dusty old book, so what's the point of quoting it? We're talking about what the apologists say ABOUT the Bible.

I don't see how it would apply to me, any more than labelling me as Chinese. You keep making that stupid statement. Again, I don't have to believe Frodo was real to quote The Lord of the Rings. I don't have to believe Tolkien was infallible either.Why is that so hard to understand?

The question is WHY would you ignore the message? Doesn't it make more sense to evaluate the message? You're the one who rejects it when you don't like what it says. I accept what it says even when it contradicts itself.

Every Christian should be a humanist. That's what Jesus taught. That's the problem. You're bleating, "Lord! Lord!" instead of listening to what He said.

Read what you quoted. You said that Christianity is Christ-centered, not human-centered. That's the bleating of an apologist- trained non-thinker. The only reason He came to earth was because of humans. That's far from clear. It's just a bumper-sticker that you've been trained to parrot. There is no evidence that Jesus even existed. Do you hear yourself? If there was evidence, I would not be free to disregard it. No you're not. You're denying what He said to do. No. What annoys me is that you ignore the refutation of that claim and keep repeating it as if it made sense. Far from it. I wish you would answer your posts.

Your point does NOT stand. You have never even tried to make the point. You just keep making the same old same old empty assertion that you can't back up. But Jesus did:

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John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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The World. Not parts of the world selected by Phat.

But YOU are the one who denies Christ by denying His message.

Not "the whole book". ALL of the books - and not with the assumption that they are all perfectly compatible. But we know that isn't true.

When I point out that the book disagrees with you, I am pointing out that YOU throw the book away when you don't like what it says. That is not ME going "back and forth".

More than a few. Many of us on grew up believing the same drivel that you preach and reverse-engineering our "experiences" to fit what we had been taught. For many of us it was reading the Bible honestly that freed us from your beliefs.Edited by ringo, : Spellig.

Signs and wonders are testable, aren't they? Will you ever learn? Belief is only permissible when there is no evidence.

You don't really believe that, do you?

Why should we accept that YOU are a believer? I've asked you many times what it actually MEANS to "believe". (Does it mean to mouth Lord! Lord! to the messenger or does it mean to obey the message?) You never answer.But I was challenging your claim to be in the majority of Christians. You'd be foolish to believe that. Your brand of Christianity is a small minority outside the US. Your vile exclusivity is NOT what Jesus taught. I'll quote it again:

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John3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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"Whosoever", not just the ones that YOU think are True Christians.