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Message 1591 of 2073 (878026)
06-24-2020 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1590 by dwise1
06-24-2020 8:59 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dwise1 writes:
Deception is the primary mission of piece-of-shit creationists like yourself.
I like that, do you mind if I use it, with proper credit, of course.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1632 of 2073 (878154)
06-26-2020 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1631 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 11:04 AM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1634 of 2073 (878162)
06-26-2020 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1633 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 11:50 AM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?
I'm not the one claiming that Tiktaalik is a transitional form to tetrapods. I'm the one explaining to you the physics and mathematics of DNA evolution.
Ah, so you can't explain it.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1636 of 2073 (878165)
06-26-2020 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1635 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 12:50 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
Why should I do your job?
Well, I don't think you are qualified to hand out job assignments. I understand your scheme though, you're planning to steal our solution and claim the Nobel Prize for yourself, well I'm onto you.
Kleinman writes:
I've already given you the correct mathematics of DNA evolution.
You continue to overlook your error.
Kleinman writes:
The only thing you have demonstrated so far is that you are ignorant and vulgar.
I am ignorant of MANY THINGS and I take great pride in the subtlety of my vulgarity.
Kleinman writes:
Show us some of your brilliant scientific acumens
I'm pretty sure you would not recognize scientific acumen, but I'm not the one trying desperately, to get someone, anyone, to worship his brilliance.
Kleinman writes:
or join AZPaul3 on the Faith and Belief forum where your pseudo-scientific beliefs belong.
Hold on Mathboy, your pseudoscientific training is showing. I have shared no beliefs with you here, so your attempts at character assassination, clearly demonstrate the weakness of your knowledge.
The thing I've noticed over the years with guys like you, is that universally you alienate the only people on the planet that could appreciate your work and apply it in their own work, if it is valid. I suspect their will be few citations of your work until you correct the error in you hypothesis.
I know you like to pretend you are a scientist, but you sure don't sound like one.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1642 of 2073 (878180)
06-26-2020 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1637 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 3:00 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
I'm really very surprised that none in your clique has already done this.
Interesting, I didn't know I had a clique. I work with other scientists in my field and we like to party together too. Mexican food and Negra Modelo beer. You would be very surprised by their achievements, but you wouldn't understand them.
Kleinman writes:
Kleinman writes:
I've already given you the correct mathematics of DNA evolution.
Tanypteryx writes:
You continue to overlook your error.
Is that so? I found a really big error in the Jukes-Cantor/Kimura/Felsenstein Markov Chain DNA evolution models. The error is so obvious. Try using their models to simulate the Kishony experiment. I have and you don't get the correct solution. See if you can find their error and correct their math. You won't.
Well of course I won't, that's your job. I don't give a shit (GAS) about the Kishony experiment.
And YOU continue to overlook YOUR error. You are another poster child for the Dunning—Kruger effect, well done!
Kleinman writes:
Kleinman writes:
The only thing you have demonstrated so far is that you are ignorant and vulgar.
Tanypteryx writes:
I am ignorant of MANY THINGS and I take great pride in the subtlety of my vulgarity.
Your vulgarity is anything but subtle. If you have a subtlety, it is in your scientific acumen. I don't think you have that subtlety but maybe you can prove me wrong.
Damn it, I was shooting for subtle vulgarity! In science we tend not to try and prove things, but rather try to make tentative conclusions based on the evidence.
Kleinman writes:
Kleinman writes:
Show us some of your brilliant scientific acumens
Tanypteryx writes:
I'm pretty sure you would not recognize scientific acumen, but I'm not the one trying desperately, to get someone, anyone, to worship his brilliance.
It doesn't take brilliance to reveal your blunders, all it takes is the understanding of high school level math.
OK go for it, we're waiting. And while you are at it, you might quote my specific blunders, please.
Kleinman writes:
Like I say, the only thing you have demonstrated is your ignorance and vulgarity. To boot, you want me to do your job.
Tanypteryx writes:
The thing I've noticed over the years with guys like you, is that universally you alienate the only people on the planet that could appreciate your work and apply it in their own work, if it is valid. I suspect their will be few citations of your work until you correct the error in your hypothesis.
Well, unlike you, I recognize that ignorance is a condition that can be modified, rather than a character flaw.
I guess you missed it earlier when I said that I don't recognize you as having any authority to make job assignments, especially when it is glaringly obvious that you have a massive error in your hypothesis.
Kleinman writes:
I suppose the error in my hypothesis is my claim that fish don't evolve into mammals and reptiles don't evolve into birds.
Are you daft? Why would you think that happens?
Kleinman writes:
Take it or leave it, it's up to you. But if you want to understand DNA evolution correctly, you had better take it. And so should anyone involved in treating infectious diseases and using targeted therapies for treating cancers if you want to play that game of chance.
Well, I'm not involved in treating infectious diseases or cancer.
Kleinman writes:
Tanypteryx writes:
I know you like to pretend you are a scientist, but you sure don't sound like one.
I don't know what you think a scientist should sound like. Perhaps you should try talking with and listening to people outside your mutual admiration society.
Well, I'm going to pass on joining your self-admiration society.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1644 of 2073 (878191)
06-26-2020 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1643 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 4:59 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
Kleinman writes:
The only thing you have demonstrated so far is that you are ignorant and vulgar.
Tanypteryx writes:
I am ignorant of MANY THINGS and I take great pride in the subtlety of my vulgarity.
Kleinman writes:
Your vulgarity is anything but subtle. If you have a subtlety, it is in your scientific acumen. I don't think you have that subtlety but maybe you can prove me wrong.
Tanypteryx writes:
Damn it, I was shooting for subtle vulgarity! In science we tend not to try and prove things, but rather try to make tentative conclusions based on the evidence.
Unless that evidence is the Kishony experiment. Maybe the Lenski experiment more fits your taste? Either experiment should since they both use e coli.
I never said I was unaware of a couple microbiology experiments, but I am not a microbiologist. Your hypothesis fails to model biology beyond your very narrow focus (basically 2 experiments).
Kleinman writes:
Kleinman writes:
Show us some of your brilliant scientific acumens
Tanypteryx writes:
I'm pretty sure you would not recognize scientific acumen, but I'm not the one trying desperately, to get someone, anyone, to worship his brilliance.
Kleinman writes:
It doesn't take brilliance to reveal your blunders, all it takes is the understanding of high school level math.
Tanypteryx writes:
OK go for it, we're waiting. And while you are at it, you might quote my specific blunders, please.
I already have, pay attention. It's in your hypothesis. Microevolutionary changes don't add up to make a macroevolutionary change, they are linked by the multiplication rule because microevolutionary changes are joint random events.
What hypothesis? I have not proposed an hypothesis. Your hypothesis is incorrect. After all this time you still don't get any of the basic concepts of evolution. Sad.
Kleinman writes:
Did anyone ever tell you are boring?
Nope. How many times have people told you you're wrong?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1646 of 2073 (878195)
06-26-2020 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1645 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 7:14 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
That's what happens when you are surrounded by your mutual admiration society. And you are boring.
And we have a new champion!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1662 of 2073 (878311)
06-28-2020 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1660 by Kleinman
06-28-2020 9:11 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes:
They better learn the way I do the math because it is the correct way.
So, I guess your papers must have hundreds of citations, right?
The Poof Into Existence clique's method of doing the math fails to explain the evolution of life on this planet because they try to mistakenly use two microbiology experiments as models for the patterns of the evolution of all life.
Kleinman writes:
I wouldn't call that doing pretty well, especially for those suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.
Well, we assumed you had that all covered. Besides you have repeatedly said that we are far too inferior and uncouth to learn your magic math, so it's up to you.
Quit screwing around and save the world!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1664 of 2073 (878320)
06-28-2020 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1663 by Kleinman
06-28-2020 10:26 PM


Re: A question about Tiktaalik
How many citations, Dr. Poof?
Since you can't understand the science the world is doomed.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1747 of 2073 (878738)
07-03-2020 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1746 by dad
07-03-2020 5:20 PM


Re: and it was dinos to birds idiot
dad writes:
The beliefs are when you assume a same nature existed when fossils were made. (you see if the forces and laws of nature were not the same, we might have a situation where only a small percentage of animal types may have been able to leave remains that could fossilize). Or, if the nature was different, the speed at which a continent could separate may be different that the slow rates we see today. Or, if there were other forces in place, the processes at work in the past may not have involved radioactive decay as we now see....etc.
That's all fiction. You just made it up.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1761 of 2073 (878791)
07-04-2020 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1750 by dad
07-03-2020 11:36 PM


Re: and it was dinos to birds idiot
dad writes:
In other words, you believe the nature of the past was the same and can't prove it, but think anything else must be made up.
Nope. I said:
Tanypteryx writes:
That's all fiction. You just made it up.
I don't think "anything else must be made up", just all of your BS. It is your fictional delusion.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1763 of 2073 (878798)
07-04-2020 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1762 by dad
07-04-2020 5:41 PM


Re: and it was dinos to birds idiot
dad writes:
Nope. Your religious and vacuous spam is boring.
And your repetitious fantasy fiction BS is less than thrilling.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1827 of 2073 (879064)
07-10-2020 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1826 by Kleinman
07-10-2020 4:37 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
kleinman writes:
the librarians at the National Library of Medicine where you can find my papers
Really? The librarians reviewed and accepted your papers?
kleinman writes:
I was asked to explain this math to people like you that haven't even studied high school level mathematics:
Ahh, so you were asked to explain it to middle schoolers.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1968 of 2073 (889238)
11-11-2021 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1967 by Phat
11-11-2021 7:30 PM


Re: Response to Religious BS
Second of all it is far from conclusive that God is a myth...as you will someday rediscover.
And yet in the whole fucking history of this planet with billions of people, not one single person has every presented even one single fucking shred of evidence for your or any other gods. They are the imaginary delusions of stupid, stupid fucking idiots!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1975 of 2073 (889251)
11-12-2021 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1971 by Phat
11-12-2021 12:31 AM


Re: Response to Religious BS
phat writes:
jar writes:
If there is NO evidence of any supernatural interaction with anything material, it simply doesn't matter whether it exists or is a figment of the imagination.
So with most all of you, objective evidence is required before it matters. Got it.
I bet you don't "Got it".

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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