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Topic: Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1597 of 2073 (878036)
06-24-2020 10:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 1596 by Kleinman
06-24-2020 10:29 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: ringo writes: So, evolution is only possible within the mammal "kind".
That's what the mathematical and empirical evidence shows.
Do you believe the earth is young? Do you believe the Flood happened?
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1603 of 2073 (878050)
06-25-2020 10:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 1598 by Kleinman
06-24-2020 11:04 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: I've never done a scientific study of either subject.
I asked what you believe. If you believe in classic creationist nonsense like created kinds, it seems reasonable to wonder what other classic creationism you're pushing.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1612 of 2073 (878092)
06-25-2020 3:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 1604 by Kleinman
06-25-2020 11:11 AM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: I have no interest in telling you what I believe...
It's becoming clear that you have an interest in hiding what you believe. It took some doing to ferret out the fact that your ideas about evolution are thoroughly creationist-based.
Kleinman writes: If you have something that you can prove mathematically and empirically (that's what is called science), present your proof.
Science doesn't deal in proofs.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1614 of 2073 (878096)
06-25-2020 3:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 1613 by Kleinman
06-25-2020 3:32 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: ringo writes: Science doesn't deal in proofs.
That's why your beliefs are pseudo-science.
 If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, at least take it out of your mouth first. No, science does not deal in proofs.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1616 of 2073 (878102)
06-25-2020 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 1615 by Kleinman
06-25-2020 3:52 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: It certainly does not deal with fossil tea-leaf reading, phrenology, or astrology.
And proofs. It doesn't deal in proofs. Seriously, you didn't know that?
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1618 of 2073 (878106)
06-25-2020 4:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 1617 by Kleinman
06-25-2020 4:02 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: What does your fossil tea-leaf reading ...
Mocking science like that just makes you look worse.
Kleinman writes: ... tell you about the Kishony and Lenski experiments?
Science tells me that one or two experiments don't overthrow a robust theory like evolution. Somebody may have misinterpreted the experiments - i.e. you. If those experiments were as earth-shattering as you seem to think, there would be talk of Nobel Prizes.
Kleinman writes: Or doesn't your science include experiments as well?
It isn't "my" science. It's everybody's science. And what you're talking about is a silver bullet. There are few of them in science. Edited by ringo, : Spellelling.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1639 of 2073 (878174)
06-26-2020 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1637 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 3:00 PM
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Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes: And Edward Tatum has already won the Nobel Prize for this in 1958. He talked about this in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture. The only thing I've done is put mathematics to his idea.
And did Edward Tatum agree with your conclusions about created kinds?
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1650 of 2073 (878213)
06-27-2020 9:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 1645 by Kleinman
06-26-2020 7:14 PM
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Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes: That's what happens when you are surrounded by your mutual admiration society.
Speaking of which, I see that you're a longtime member of the Evolution Fairy Tale forum. Me too! 
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1654 of 2073 (878240)
06-27-2020 9:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1651 by Kleinman
06-27-2020 11:44 AM
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Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes: That's why these people in the fish evolve into mammals clique need to start listening to people outside their clique if they want to understand DNA evolution correctly.
Clearly nobody's interested in doing it the way YOU consider correct. They've been doing pretty well without your guidance.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1672 of 2073 (878346)
06-29-2020 11:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 1658 by dad
06-28-2020 7:41 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes: ringo writes: No, science does not deal in proofs.
Neither do politicians or con men selling bridges they don't own. Nothing to brag about.
Not bragging, just stating a fact: science does not deal in proofs. Neither do plumbers. Neither do bus drivers. Science does not deal in proofs. You should have understood that before you claimed to know anything about science. Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1673 of 2073 (878349)
06-29-2020 11:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 1660 by Kleinman
06-28-2020 9:11 PM
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Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes: They better learn the way I do the math because it is the correct way. The fish evolve into mammals clique's method of doing the math fails to correctly explain how antimicrobial drug-resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. I wouldn't call that doing pretty well, especially for those suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.
You're not making any sense. It isn't mathematics that treats infections and cancer. And the treatments that DO work are not discovered by mathematics.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1677 of 2073 (878396)
06-29-2020 4:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 1674 by Kleinman
06-29-2020 12:53 PM
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Re: A question about Tiktaalik
Kleinman writes: Now the simple-minded muddlers in your fish evolve into mammals clique ...
You're only hurting your own credibility by repeating that nonsense over and over again. It isn't a clique. It's practically everybody who has studied biology. Even IF your math had any value (and it doesn't seem to have any) you have a responsibility to behave like an adult instead of a petulant teenager. Smarten up and talk science and leave your immature insults in the playpen.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1678 of 2073 (878397)
06-29-2020 4:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 1675 by dad
06-29-2020 3:33 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes: Real science is based on evidence.
Yes, and you have no evidence for your claims.
dad writes: If you knew the limits of science and what it is really all about you would know that.
You don't know what you think you know. Edited by ringo, : Spellig.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1686 of 2073 (878492)
06-30-2020 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 1679 by Kleinman
06-29-2020 5:04 PM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes: It is you and the rest of your fish evolve into mammals clique that has no real evidence
And yet they are the ones that can use their science for practical purposes and you can't.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1687 of 2073 (878493)
06-30-2020 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 1680 by dad
06-30-2020 1:15 AM
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Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes: Too bad you haven't enough smoke to cover your busted beliefs that you thought were sciencey.
You haben't explained the computers yet. Who made them?
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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