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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Kleinman writes: So you think that Tiktaalik could have just as easily been a tripod or a pentapod? "Mr. Kleinman, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."--from the movie "Billy Madison"
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You said, "If you think there is only one possible mutation in a whole genome for every single adaptation, and that there is only one possible and specific adaptation for every environmental challenge, then you need to get out into the real world." Perhaps Tiktaalik could have evolved into an octopod or a centipod or even a millipod. I've seen replicators like that in the real world. Are you now telling us that it is an impossible adaptation?
So you think that Tiktaalik could have just as easily been a tripod or a pentapod?Taq writes: "Mr. Kleinman, what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."--from the movie "Billy Madison"
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Kleinman writes: Perhaps Tiktaalik could have evolved into an octopod or a centipod or even a millipod. I've seen replicators like that in the real world. Are you now telling us that it is an impossible adaptation? Can you explain to us how there was only a single possible mutation at a single base in the Tiktaalik lineage that would have led to those adaptations? Use your brain. I promise, it won't hurt.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Can you explain to us how there was only a single possible mutation at a single base in the Tiktaalik lineage that would have led it to be a tetrapod?
Perhaps Tiktaalik could have evolved into an octopod or a centipod or even a millipod. I've seen replicators like that in the real world. Are you now telling us that it is an impossible adaptation?Taq writes: Can you explain to us how there was only a single possible mutation at a single base in the Tiktaalik lineage that would have led to those adaptations?Taq writes:
The brain actually doesn't have any pain receptors
Use your brain. I promise, it won't hurt.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Kleinman writes: Can you explain to us how there was only a single possible mutation at a single base in the Tiktaalik lineage that would have led it to be a tetrapod? I will take that as a tacit admission that the Kishony experiment does not apply.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I will take that as a tacit admission that you have no idea what went on with Tiktaalik genetically. But we do know what goes on with the Kishony experiment. Why do you deny the evidence showing that eukaryotic DNA evolution works the same way as bacterial DNA evolution? Can you explain to us how there was only a single possible mutation at a single base in the Tiktaalik lineage that would have led it to be a tetrapod?Taq writes: I will take that as a tacit admission that the Kishony experiment does not apply.Eukaryotic Adaptation to Years-Long Starvation Resembles that of Bacteria - PMC
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Kleinman writes: I will take that as a tacit admission that you have no idea what went on with Tiktaalik genetically. Until you can show that there was only a single mutation at a single base that led to tetrapods then you can't apply the Kishony experiment.
Why do you deny the evidence showing that eukaryotic DNA evolution works the same way as bacterial DNA evolution? You are the one denying the existence of sexual reproduction.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
What was the number of replications necessary that you came up with if there are two possible beneficial mutations? Wasn't that 1.5e9? Do you want to make it 10 possible beneficial mutations? And how about the next evolutionary step? Do you have 10 or maybe even 100 possible beneficial mutations? Just how many genes and mutations do you need to make a replicator without legs evolve legs?
I will take that as a tacit admission that you have no idea what went on with Tiktaalik genetically.Taq writes: Until you can show that there was only a single mutation at a single base that led to tetrapods then you can't apply the Kishony experiment.Kleinman writes:
I've never said that you were cloned. You are a bit of a drone.
Why do you deny the evidence showing that eukaryotic DNA evolution works the same way as bacterial DNA evolution?Taq writes: You are the one denying the existence of sexual reproduction.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
This post and question are directed at Straggler but any members of your clique can try to answer it.
My question has to do with Tiktaalik. If I understand you correctly, you contend that Tiktaalik is a transitional form of some kind of aquatic replicator without limbs (I guess, something like an eel) and ground-dwelling tetrapods. Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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That is a bullshit question and you know it.
No one has the sequences that you so dishonestly ask for in order to answer that asinine question. Besides, there were most certainly a couple handfuls of tiktaalik species over many thousands of years each with incremental changes that led to land tetrapods. But you're so deeply buried in your inapplicable math you don't even know how ignorant you are of the evolution you try to destroy. This is exactly the kind of intellectually dishonest BS we expect from crackpots.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
We'll take that as an "I don't know" from Mr. 1 to indeterminant. That is a bullshit question and you know it.No one has the sequences that you so dishonestly ask for in order to answer that asinine question. Besides, there were most certainly a couple handfuls of tiktaalik species over many thousands of years each with incremental changes that led to land tetrapods. But you're so deeply buried in your inapplicable math you don't even know how ignorant you are of the evolution you try to destroy. This is exactly the kind of intellectually dishonest BS we expect from crackpots. So you think all the geneticists and biologists with the knowledge of all the genetics we have today can't identify the genes which code for limb growth? I guess this reference isn't in your reading list:https://phys.org/news/2018-09-gene-code-limbs.html There are many other references to this subject, but you should continue with sources appropriate to your intellect, comic books. You should limit your posts to the "Faith and Belief" forum. You really aren't prepared for any type of scientific discussion. Any in AZPaul3's clique with scientific training and experience want to try and answer the question: Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
I'm not the one claiming that Tiktaalik is a transitional form to tetrapods. I'm the one explaining to you the physics and mathematics of DNA evolution.
Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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Kleinman writes: Tanypteryx writes:
I'm not the one claiming that Tiktaalik is a transitional form to tetrapods. I'm the one explaining to you the physics and mathematics of DNA evolution. Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages? Ah, so you can't explain it.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Why should I do your job? I've already given you the correct mathematics of DNA evolution. The only thing you have demonstrated so far is that you are ignorant and vulgar. Show us some of your brilliant scientific acumens or join AZPaul3 on the Faith and Belief forum where your pseudo-scientific beliefs belong.
I'm not the one claiming that Tiktaalik is a transitional form to tetrapods. I'm the one explaining to you the physics and mathematics of DNA evolution.Tanypteryx writes: Could you explain to all of us what coding and regulatory genes are required for the formation of limbs and what is the selection pressure that would select for the formation of those appendages?Kleinman writes: I'm not the one claiming that Tiktaalik is a transitional form to tetrapods. I'm the one explaining to you the physics and mathematics of DNA evolution.Tanypteryx writes: Ah, so you can't explain it.
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