Phat writes:
The topic is open.
The topic is, "The CATHOLICS are making it up."
Phat writes:
You wont get away with dismissing Christianity as a Fairy Tale....
I didn't do any such thing. I clearly said, "We've been in the "last days" for two thousand years. Isn't that fairy tale getting a bit tired by now?"
Message 450
Phat writes:
It is not up to my side to support the positive truth claim. That's a weak argument. If anything, both sides bare a burden of proof to some degree.
You're being dishonest. You know damn well that it's the same argument you use against the things you don't believe in.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Why would I want to discredit somebody who never existed?
This is a perfect example of a claim which requires more than parroting mythicist arguments and secular scholars with no ax to grind.
I'm not parroting anything. I don't even know the scholars' arguments.
And you didn't answer the question. What possible reason could I have for discrediting somebody who didn't exist? Do you have a reason to discredit Frodo?
Phat writes:
... atheism is not the default.
Yes it is. It is the default literally by definition.
Phat writes:
Get off your hobby horse and grow a pair.
Where does that come from?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
But you're the one who throws out the Bible.
Nonsense. I may not hand out as much spare change as you do..
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It has NOTHING to do with how much spare change you give out. It's about you throwing out the Bible. You throw out the part in Genesis 3 where God said as plain as day that "the Fall" was a GOOD thing. You throw out the part where Jesus told the rich man what he must do to be saved. You throw out the part where the Roman Church DID what Jesus told the rich man to do. You throw out the part where Jesus said that the judgement depends on what people DO for the least of His brothers. You throw out the part where He said that pretending to believe by mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" will not fool Him. Shall I go on? Or do you have the courage to defend your throwing out those passages?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Point out the false logic.
That's easy.
Jesus likely never existed. (Burden of proof is on you.)
Nope. The false logic is obviously yours. You use the same logic as I'm using to deny the existence of leprechauns, etc.
Phat writes:
I argue that motive remains an important piece of evidence.
But you don't know the authors' motives. Even if it was evidence, it's evidence you don't have.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
We've been in the "last days" for two thousand years. Isn't that fairy tale getting a bit tired by now?
I dont think so. Shall I use the book...?
Try using your head first. How can you use a book that was written two thousand years ago to back up your claims about what has happened since the book was written?
Phat writes:
I began examining the evidence(The Bible itself) in order to refute your claim and uphold the claim of the exclusiveness of Christ What I ended up finding was that Jesus did promote inclusive humanism.
So, for somebody who doesn't have a clue - in your words - it seems like I know Jesus better than you do. That's because you've been swallowing the snake oil.
"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"