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Author Topic:   Catholics are making it up.
ringo
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Message 430 of 507 (878051)
06-25-2020 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Phat
06-25-2020 4:32 AM


Re: All religions are of human origin.
Phat writes:
You are choosing only to believe one side, and by and large I dont trust the motives of these guys.
What ulterior motives would the critics of your dogma have?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 444 of 507 (878175)
06-26-2020 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 439 by Phat
06-26-2020 12:14 PM


Re: All religions are of human origin.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
What ulterior motives would the critics of your dogma have?
The same motives that satan himself has.
Forget about that fairy tale. Talk about reality.
Phat writes:
To discredit Jesus Christ...
Why would I want to discredit somebody who never existed?
Phat writes:
... to seduce people (through false logic and wisdom)...
Point out the false logic.
Phat writes:
... to ultimately deny the truth in the Bible, throw the book away as an authoritative source...
But you're the one who throws out the Bible.
Phat writes:
... and to promote inclusive humanism.
Jesus promoted inclusive humanism. Why are you afraid to discuss that?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 445 of 507 (878177)
06-26-2020 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 441 by Phat
06-26-2020 2:15 PM


Re: All religions are of human origin.
Phat writes:
I know too much to ever look back.
You don't know half as much as you think you do.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 450 of 507 (878211)
06-27-2020 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 446 by Phat
06-27-2020 6:10 AM


Re: All religions are of human origin.
Phat writes:
We are in the last days.
We've been in the "last days" for two thousand years. Isn't that fairy tale getting a bit tired by now?
Phat writes:
Here is what you will see.
1) Lawlessness.
We've had that for two thousand years - and for two thousand years before that and for two thousand years before that and....
So, is #1 all you've got?
Phat writes:
...a global inclusive religion that accepts all faiths as equally valid...
HOW, in your addled brain, can you consider that a bad thing? Jesus said, "Whosoever."
Phat writes:
...hatred of exclusive Christianity...
It's excusivity that's based on hatred. You're perfectly willing to watch the rest of us roast in hell.
Phat writes:
...a push to shut the prophets up...
Again, nobody's trying to shut you up. Please, answer your posts.
Phat writes:
... the enemy...making the Christians look stupid.
You don't need an enemy to do that for you.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 451 of 507 (878212)
06-27-2020 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by Phat
06-27-2020 6:14 AM


Re: Jesus promoted inclusive humanism.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Jesus promoted inclusive humanism. Why are you afraid to discuss that?
Im not afraid at all.
And yet you didn't say anything at all about inclusive humanism.
Try again. "Jesus promoted inclusive humanism." Discuss.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 461 of 507 (878243)
06-27-2020 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Phat
06-27-2020 3:23 PM


Re: Jesus promoted inclusive humanism.
Phat writes:
The topic is open.
The topic is, "The CATHOLICS are making it up."
Phat writes:
You wont get away with dismissing Christianity as a Fairy Tale....
I didn't do any such thing. I clearly said, "We've been in the "last days" for two thousand years. Isn't that fairy tale getting a bit tired by now?" Message 450
Phat writes:
It is not up to my side to support the positive truth claim. That's a weak argument. If anything, both sides bare a burden of proof to some degree.
You're being dishonest. You know damn well that it's the same argument you use against the things you don't believe in.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Why would I want to discredit somebody who never existed?
This is a perfect example of a claim which requires more than parroting mythicist arguments and secular scholars with no ax to grind.
I'm not parroting anything. I don't even know the scholars' arguments.
And you didn't answer the question. What possible reason could I have for discrediting somebody who didn't exist? Do you have a reason to discredit Frodo?
Phat writes:
... atheism is not the default.
Yes it is. It is the default literally by definition.
Phat writes:
Get off your hobby horse and grow a pair.
Where does that come from?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
But you're the one who throws out the Bible.
Nonsense. I may not hand out as much spare change as you do..
.
It has NOTHING to do with how much spare change you give out. It's about you throwing out the Bible. You throw out the part in Genesis 3 where God said as plain as day that "the Fall" was a GOOD thing. You throw out the part where Jesus told the rich man what he must do to be saved. You throw out the part where the Roman Church DID what Jesus told the rich man to do. You throw out the part where Jesus said that the judgement depends on what people DO for the least of His brothers. You throw out the part where He said that pretending to believe by mouthing, "Lord! Lord!" will not fool Him. Shall I go on? Or do you have the courage to defend your throwing out those passages?
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Point out the false logic.
That's easy.
Jesus likely never existed. (Burden of proof is on you.)
Nope. The false logic is obviously yours. You use the same logic as I'm using to deny the existence of leprechauns, etc.
Phat writes:
I argue that motive remains an important piece of evidence.
But you don't know the authors' motives. Even if it was evidence, it's evidence you don't have.
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
We've been in the "last days" for two thousand years. Isn't that fairy tale getting a bit tired by now?
I dont think so. Shall I use the book...?
Try using your head first. How can you use a book that was written two thousand years ago to back up your claims about what has happened since the book was written?
Phat writes:
I began examining the evidence(The Bible itself) in order to refute your claim and uphold the claim of the exclusiveness of Christ What I ended up finding was that Jesus did promote inclusive humanism.
So, for somebody who doesn't have a clue - in your words - it seems like I know Jesus better than you do. That's because you've been swallowing the snake oil.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 462 of 507 (878244)
06-27-2020 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by Trump won
06-27-2020 4:48 PM


a Servant of Christ writes:
Limbo is not abolished.
I just Googled "limbo abolished" and "purgatory abolished". Every major news service seems to agree that limbo has beeb abolished.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 472 of 507 (878270)
06-28-2020 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 463 by Trump won
06-28-2020 12:59 AM


a Servant of Christ writes:
fake news
So post something to support your viewpoint.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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