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Phat
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Message 498 of 506 (878440)
06-30-2020 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 497 by jar
06-30-2020 9:27 AM


Re: Belief & Sanity
Yeah but look at the fruits! You trust content, logic, reason and reality and you are left not knowing. You believe though cannot prove (even to yourself) and you have had to place the whole idea of Jesus Christ and one GOD Creator of all seen and unseen on an unknowable place.
Which is honest but limiting.

My next question (for myself as well as the peanut gallery) is this:
Does GOD care? You have asked before why GOD should care about me any more than pond scum. My answer is that Jesus came for that very reason. Jesus is essentially the liaison between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity.

Do you agree with that belief or will you simply say that its an apologetic fantasy? Your answer will determine my further line of questions.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 499 of 506 (878441)
06-30-2020 9:48 AM
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06-30-2020 9:27 AM


Re: Belief & Sanity
jar,edited for spelling writes:

You are basing your decision on what you believe about the speaker rather than what is being said.

Your error is in "trust and know".

You are correct to a degree. When it comes to the Bible, I believe that Jesus is real...alive today (not in biological terms at least in this earthly realm) and that the Spirit is eternal. Unlike you, I DONT believe that the communion is automatically available to all of humanity...I believe that we have to believe and trust both the source(God) and the content(what is written) as well as our own intuition.

I believe that we are by extension the Body of Christ. Most of us are weak at actually living it, however.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 501 of 506 (878443)
06-30-2020 10:08 AM
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06-30-2020 9:55 AM


Re: Belief & Sanity
But I dont simply trust or follow medicine men. I read for myself. I dont know why you always claim that I do. For all I know, you are a medicine man. I dont trust the ones who claim that the Bible was a marketing tool and who point out contradictions and errors. If we throw the Bible away, how then can we even know God? (Of course, answering my own question, I realize that there have beejn anointed people who did have a relationship either with Jesus personally or with His Spirit (such as what transformed Saul to Paul). You are a bit more skeptical...which...again...limits what you believe.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Phat
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Message 503 of 506 (878447)
06-30-2020 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by jar
06-30-2020 10:25 AM


Re: Belief & Sanity
Perhaps you should ask yourself that question.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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