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Tangle
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Message 488 of 506 (878387)
06-29-2020 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 487 by Trump won
06-29-2020 3:29 PM


SoC writes:

Catholic position on purgatory.

We are talking about Limbo, not purgatory.

And your response is still not an argument.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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Message 490 of 506 (878399)
06-29-2020 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 489 by Phat
06-29-2020 4:01 PM


Re: Belief & Sanity
I mean all we get are nutters incapable of coherent argument, incapacitated by their belief.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 495 of 506 (878435)
06-30-2020 3:05 AM
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06-29-2020 5:06 PM


Re: Belief & Sanity
SoC writes:

maybe because u don't know the nomenclature or anything that you're talking about.

I'll give this one last go. This is what Limbo is supposed to be according to the Catholic Church

quote:
The Limbo of Infants (Latin limbus infantium or limbus puerorum) is the hypothetical permanent status of the unbaptized who die in infancy, too young to have committed actual sins, but not having been freed from original sin.

Until recently it was taught that unbaptised babies that died could never get into heaven - their souls were in Limbo, neither heaven nor hell. It was part of the Catholic catechism which I'm sure even you have heard about.

Purgatory is quite different

quote:
Purgatory (Latin: purgatorium, via Anglo-Norman and Old French)[1] is, according to the belief of some Christians (mostly Catholics), an intermediate state after physical death for expiatory purification.[2]

Purgatory is a place of torture were the soul is purified before entering heaven.

So Limbo, you can never enter heaven (but it's not hell or purgatory either, there's no torture); purgatory you get tortured for a while, then when you're all done, you get to heaven.

Your mad church still believes in purgatory but since 2007 no longer believes in Limbo. (And Limbo is no longer in the catechism of Catholic beliefs).

Ok?

It's all mediaeval, and just plain evil, but that's what Catholics are now required to believe.

However, this new pope of yours - who actually seems to be pretty decent for a Jesuit - doesn't seem to even believe in hell, let alone limbo and purgatory.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 504 of 506 (878450)
06-30-2020 12:14 PM
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06-30-2020 8:55 AM


Re: Belief & Sanity
Phat writes:

OK so you've made a decent case that *religion* and the traditions of man are by and large invented. But why does this carry over into the very idea of the story of Jesus being invented?

Why would you think that Jesus mythology is any different than any other mythology?

And why does it mean for many that the concept of GOD is invented?

Why doesn't it? You accept that all the hundreds of gods of pre-history are inventions. Why should the one that you believe in totally by accident of birth is any different? It's just exceptionalism.

In fact you even accept that all the traditions of other Christian beliefs except your specific one are made up

We're getting to the point where there's no reason at all why we should think that it isn't all made up aren't we?

I have heard some fairly strong persuasion from the few people whom I trust and know who beg to differ.

Of course you have. You mix with your own company.

Of course, without evidence all we have is belief...but why does your belief seem to be so weak in this area?

It's not weak, it's non-existent. Exactly - and I mean exactly - like your non-belief in Vishnu. As has been said many times but it never seems to make any contact. Your delusion renders you incapable of thought.


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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 506 of 506 (882849)
10-21-2020 12:06 PM


another inviolate dogma become violate
No need to stone homosexuals, I've changed my mind.

Still making it up

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Francis says in a film released on Wednesday that homosexuals should be protected by civil union laws, in some of the clearest language he has used on the rights of gay people.

“Homosexual people have a right to be in a family. They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable over it,” he says in the documentary “Francesco” by Oscar-nominated director Evgeny Afineevsky.

“What we have to create is a civil union law. That way they are legally covered. I stood up for that,” he said.

The pope appeared to be referring to when he was archbishop of Buenos Aires and opposed legislation to approve same sex marriages but supported some kind of legal protection for the rights of gay couples.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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