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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
dad
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Message 1681 of 1818 (878458)
06-30-2020 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1678 by ringo
06-29-2020 4:14 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims. I do have evidence for that, and your failure to produce anything but beliefs add to the evidence.

I accept the bible and historical claims of what life was like and have no reason not to. Those are not my claims. In a science forum I wish to look at the claims put forward by science, and particularly about ages and origins.

If I were to defend bible claims it would not be in a science forum, since science is far too weak and small and inadequate to deal with the issues.

Don't worry about other beliefs here just focus on defending your own.

Edited by dad, : No reason given.


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Taq
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Message 1682 of 1818 (878462)
06-30-2020 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1681 by dad
06-30-2020 1:07 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:

My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims.

Your claim is that you will invent fantasies in order to avoid evidence.


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Kleinman
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Message 1683 of 1818 (878468)
06-30-2020 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1682 by Taq
06-30-2020 1:23 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:

My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims.

Taq writes:

Your claim is that you will invent fantasies in order to avoid evidence.


Is that why you have to contrive some exceptional recombination scenario to deal with the 3e9 replications for each evolutionary step to explain fish evolving into mammals? It's the multiplication rule Taq. And that is the reality you refuse to accept.

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Taq
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Message 1684 of 1818 (878484)
06-30-2020 4:37 PM
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06-30-2020 2:54 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

Is that why you have to contrive some exceptional recombination scenario to deal with the 3e9 replications for each evolutionary step to explain fish evolving into mammals? It's the multiplication rule Taq.

Do you have mental problems?


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Kleinman
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Message 1685 of 1818 (878487)
06-30-2020 4:58 PM
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06-30-2020 4:37 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

Is that why you have to contrive some exceptional recombination scenario to deal with the 3e9 replications for each evolutionary step to explain fish evolving into mammals? It's the multiplication rule Taq.

Taq writes:

Do you have mental problems?


None when it comes to the mathematics of evolution. But I know these people that when they look at fossils, they have these delusions that they are seeing fish evolving into mammals. These people really need help, combination therapy is called for, mathematical and empirical evidence.

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ringo
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Message 1686 of 1818 (878492)
06-30-2020 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1679 by Kleinman
06-29-2020 5:04 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

It is you and the rest of your fish evolve into mammals clique that has no real evidence


And yet they are the ones that can use their science for practical purposes and you can't.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1687 of 1818 (878493)
06-30-2020 5:26 PM
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06-30-2020 1:15 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:

Too bad you haven't enough smoke to cover your busted beliefs that you thought were sciencey.


You haben't explained the computers yet. Who made them?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1688 of 1818 (878494)
06-30-2020 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1681 by dad
06-30-2020 1:07 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:

My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims.


Science produced the computer you're looking at.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Kleinman
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Message 1689 of 1818 (878498)
06-30-2020 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1688 by ringo
06-30-2020 5:29 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:

My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims.

ringo writes:

Science produced the computer you're looking at.


I think what dad is talking about is that you have no evidence for your theory of evolution. Of course, if you think that the computer he is looking at evolved from fingers is evidence explains why they are called digital computers. Does that mean watches evolved from dogs because there are watchdogs? Did chestnuts evolve from horses or did horses evolve from chestnuts? What came first, the chestnut or the horse. Oh, what does it matter, they both evolved and now we both horse-chestnuts and chestnut horses. The theory of evolution explains so much!

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Kleinman
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Message 1690 of 1818 (878499)
06-30-2020 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1686 by ringo
06-30-2020 5:25 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

It is you and the rest of your fish evolve into mammals clique that has no real evidence

ringo writes:

And yet they are the ones that can use their science for practical purposes and you can't.


Wrong on that one ringo. I use my mathematics when treating drug-resistant infection (and they are all too common thanks to the fish evolve into mammal clique). And the principle is quite simple. Don't use single-drug therapy when there is a high risk for selecting resistant variants. Understand rubberband?

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Straggler
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Message 1691 of 1818 (878500)
06-30-2020 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1690 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 5:51 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
You keep referring to the “fish evolve into mammal clique”. But it’s nor a clique is it? It’s nearly every biologist, indeed scientist, on the planet that you are claiming superior knowledge to.

You still have no alternative explanation for the origin of species. And it’s not like your model has led to the discovery of new species or indeed the discovery of anything of note at all.

Let us know when the Nobel prize arrives...

Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.


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Kleinman
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Message 1692 of 1818 (878504)
06-30-2020 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1691 by Straggler
06-30-2020 6:08 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Straggler writes:

You keep referring to the “fish evolve into mammal clique”. But it’s nor a clique is it? It’s nearly every biologist, indeed scientist, on the planet that you are claiming superior knowledge to.


clique
/klēk,klik/
noun
a small group of people, with shared interests or other features in common, who spend time together and do not readily allow others to join them. "the old-school clique"

There was a time when nearly every scientist said the earth was flat. And why hasn't your clique explained the Kishony and Lenski experiments? You have had over 30 years to figure out the Lenski experiment. What is taking so long?

Straggler writes:

You still have no alternative explanation for the origin of species. And it’s not like your model has led to the discovery of new species or indeed the discovery of anything of note at all.


I've given the correct explanation for DNA evolution, isn't that enough. After all, it explains how drug-resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. You in the fish evolve into mammal clique are awfully demanding since you have had over a century to correctly explain the mathematics of Darwinian evolution, but haven't done it. What's your excuse?
Straggler writes:

Let us know when the Nobel prize arrives...


You in the fish evolve into mammals clique are really slow. I already told you that Edward Tatum already got the Nobel Prize. I just put the mathematics to his idea. Your clique could have done it but I guess math is not emphasized in your discipline.

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ringo
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Message 1693 of 1818 (878507)
06-30-2020 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1690 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 5:51 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

I use my mathematics when treating drug-resistant infection


I don't think anybody believes you on that.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1694 of 1818 (878508)
06-30-2020 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1689 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 5:46 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

Of course, if you think that the computer he is looking at evolved from fingers is evidence explains why they are called digital computers.


I think computers were designed using the same scientific principles used to formulate the Theory of Evolution. They're brothers. You can't have one without the other.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Kleinman
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Message 1695 of 1818 (878510)
06-30-2020 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1693 by ringo
06-30-2020 7:13 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:

I use my mathematics when treating drug-resistant infection

ringo writes:

I don't think anybody believes you on that.


It doesn't surprise me when members of fish evolve into mammals clique say that. After all, you think that increasing the number of selection pressures on a population accelerates evolution when what it really does is increase the probability that you will drive the population to extinction. And even if it doesn't drive the population to extinction, it impairs the DNA evolutionary process as well demonstrated by the use of combination therapy to treat hiv.

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