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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
ringo
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Message 1688 of 2073 (878494)
06-30-2020 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1681 by dad
06-30-2020 1:07 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:
My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims.
Science produced the computer you're looking at.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1693 of 2073 (878507)
06-30-2020 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1690 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 5:51 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
I use my mathematics when treating drug-resistant infection
I don't think anybody believes you on that.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1694 of 2073 (878508)
06-30-2020 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1689 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 5:46 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
Of course, if you think that the computer he is looking at evolved from fingers is evidence explains why they are called digital computers.
I think computers were designed using the same scientific principles used to formulate the Theory of Evolution. They're brothers. You can't have one without the other.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
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Message 1697 of 2073 (878513)
06-30-2020 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1695 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 7:45 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
If you're telling the truth you should be able to show us all of the papers you've written about your successful treatments.
Screw the math. Show us the results.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1698 of 2073 (878514)
06-30-2020 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1696 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 7:47 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
So how did scientists invent the computer if they're as brainless as you claim?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1706 of 2073 (878537)
07-01-2020 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1704 by dad
07-01-2020 2:54 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
dad writes:
What does this have to do with origins or creation or evolution or the distant universe or the nature on earth in the past, etc?
As I said, science gets results. You keep saying that science knows nothing, yet it managed to produce the computer you say it on. Don't you understand how silly you sound? Do you think you're doing your God a favour by making His followers look like idiots?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1707 of 2073 (878538)
07-01-2020 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1701 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 9:06 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
It is just that the people who push the theory of evolution are not as clever as they think they are.
Or the people who denigrate evolution aren't as clever as THEY think they are. Creationism is dead. There are a few crackpots still trying to resurrect it but they don't have a leg to stand on.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1708 of 2073 (878539)
07-01-2020 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1700 by Kleinman
06-30-2020 9:04 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
There are lots of papers out there that show the benefit of combination therapy.
That isn't what I asked you. I asked for YOUR papers. It seems a little odd that you'd be on a fairly obscure forum ranting about evolution when you supposedly could be showing physians how successful your method is compared to theirs.
Kleinman writes:
The results are there if you want to see it but you don't.
The point is: bring the results HERE.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1709 of 2073 (878540)
07-01-2020 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1699 by Phat
06-30-2020 8:40 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Phat writes:
Food for thought.
Why don't you post your thoughts instead of giving us a reading assignment?

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ringo
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Message 1712 of 2073 (878564)
07-01-2020 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1711 by dad
07-01-2020 1:42 PM


Re: If TOE never existed what used to exist before it got replaced?
dad writes:
If you claim that a rock in your backyard is why science was able to get a ship to the moon, we would have to ask the connection.
I've told you several times: They use the same methods. Why would the same methods work in one situation but not another?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1713 of 2073 (878565)
07-01-2020 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1710 by Kleinman
07-01-2020 1:16 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
Who is ranting? I'm explaining the physics and mathematics of evolution to the fish evolve into mammals clique....
You are ranting. You keep repeating that silly mantra as if it meant something.
Kleinman writes:
Do the following searches:
combination+therapy+hiv => 78,800,000 hits
Again, I'm not asking you for every reference to "combination therapy hiv". I'm asking you for evidence that YOUR ideas are more successful than the methods of the people who "don't understand the math".
Kleinman writes:
And you want me to write another paper on the clinical use of combination antibiotics and drug-resistance? Why?
Because that's what scientists do.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1718 of 2073 (878600)
07-02-2020 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1717 by dad
07-02-2020 1:44 AM


Re: If TOE never existed what used to exist before it got replaced?
dad writes:
There are limits to where stuff applies.
You haven't shown us any limits.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1719 of 2073 (878602)
07-02-2020 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1714 by Kleinman
07-01-2020 5:26 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
At least my ranting explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
No, your ranting about "cliques" doesn't have anything to do with any experiments.
Kleinman writes:
That's not hard, I've published the papers that explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments.
Again, that's not what I asked for. I want to see the studies where you show that your METHODS - not your explanations -are more effective at treating cancer, HIV, etc. than the methods used by people who supposedly don't understand the math. Your explanations have no value unless you get results.
Kleinman writes:
Shouldn't I be publishing papers about fish evolving into mammals and reptiles evolving into birds if I want to be a real scientist?
You should definitely stop that silly rant if you want to be a real scientist.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1721 of 2073 (878614)
07-02-2020 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1720 by Kleinman
07-02-2020 10:44 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
What experiments have the fish evolves into mammals clique ever explained?
No such clique.
Kleinman writes:
Really? You don't think that combination therapy for the treatment of hiv works?
Is English not your first language?
I'm not questioning combination therapy.
I'm asking for evidence that YOU have had better results treating YOUR patients according to YOUR ideas. Didn't you make that claim?
A vague Google search ain't gonna cut it. I want to see your idea directly compared with the idea you denigrate - concrete clinical results.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1727 of 2073 (878643)
07-02-2020 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1722 by Kleinman
07-02-2020 11:27 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
It's a group of people who think that fish evolve into mammals and reptiles evolve into birds.
Well, practically everybody who has studied biology knows that something slightly like that happened but they wouldn't put it in such a childish way. And it's certainly no clique.
Kleinman writes:
It's not enough that there are 78+ million papers and articles out there written by other researchers that show combination therapy successfully works for the treatment of hiv...?
Not near enough. You haven't demonstrsted that ANY of those papers support your position.
Kleinman writes:
How many references do you need before you will accept the mathematical fact of life of the multiplication rule?
For the umpteenth time, this is not about your mathematical model. This is about concrete evidence that your model works better - in real life - than the conventional model. You need clinical tests for that.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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