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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
First you'll have to learn what science is. You're a long way from anybody taking your opinions seriously. I am not here to support or make claims so much as to hold up your belief based claims that have fraudulently been labelled as science."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Results are evidence. Computers are evidence thst science gets results. So you did not post evidence,"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
I'll type slowly so you can keep up: Computers... are... evidence... that... scientists... know... what... they're... doing. Computers are not evidence stellar evolution in deep space is valid. When you get on an airplane, do you go up to the cockpit and tell the pilot he's flying all wrong? The rest of us take his thousands of hours of successful flying as evidence that he knows what he's doing."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Your reading comprehension is off. I have never said that I am the only one who knows anything about science. I seldom claim to know anything at all. Rather than an intelligent reply we get blather about 'oh, I am the only one who knows what science really is, but I can't post it'. As the old joke goes, I don't have to run faster than the bear. I only have to run faster than YOU. I only have to know more about science than YOU, which is not much of a feat."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Computers do nothing but quantify numbers into a replicable value. If a value created by a machine counts as evidence, why not a philosophical value involving spoken words? It doesn't matter what computers do. I could have used a space shuttle as an example, or a heart pacemaker. The point is that science gets RESULTS."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
The connection is that they are using the same methods. You might as well say that the pilot who is flying the DC-9 knows what he's doing but the pilot who is flying the 727 doesn't - even though they are doing the same thing. If you offer computers or anything else in this world as evidence that so called science that deals in origins fables knows what it is talking about, you need to show the connection. You're seeing a distinction where there is none. And if you think there is a distinction, once again YOU are the one who needs to provide evidence."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Read what I wrote. I didn't say I knew anything. I said I know more than you. When you know something you should be able to post it rather than brag you could post it."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
That's where you're wrong. Geologists find oil in the real world and geologists find the true ages of rocks. The so called sciences dealing in origins stories have no practical application in the real world though."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Okay, what would you like me to post? Be specific. The thing is you need to post it, not talk big."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
We get results (computers, petroleum, etc.) using the same processes that we use to learn about origins. You're saying that we can' t build a shed with the same tools that we use to build a garage. Origin claims get no results."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Nonsense. They're built with the same intellectual tools. Planes big or small, or toy planes have zero to do with origin arguments."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dad writes:
Again... it's about the same thought PROCESS. Why would it work so well in one case (finding oil) and be such a dismal failure - according to you - in another area (finding the age of rocks)? How is it that geologists get it right when you need fuel but wrong when they disagree with you? No they don't find ages of rocks. Finding oil doesn't involve that as much as you thought it did."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Why don't geologists see any evidence of a "former nature"? Whether a layer was put down 5500 years ago in the former nature...."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Well, there's the talking animals.... Oh, wait. dad writes:
What is it about each that makes them fables? TOE, and the BB."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
"Main" reason, maybe, but not the only reason. Read through all of RAZD's many, many posts on the CORRELATIONS between MANY different methods. Get back to us when you can explain away ALL of them AND explain why they happen to give corresponding results.
The main reason science uses old ages is because of radioactive decay dating. dad writes:
Why would we assume there was a "former nature" at all?
Otherwise, why would we not assume much of the ratios we see were part of creation, and that the former nature also affected ratios? dad writes:
Oh, make no mistake - nobody here cares what you believe. As long as we can keep your anti-science garbage out of the public schools, you can believe in whatever magic beans you like. Why must we believe your positive claim?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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