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AZPaul3
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Message 1711 of 2370 (878717)
07-03-2020 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1703 by dad
07-02-2020 5:31 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
They are entirely based on beliefs and beliefs alone.
What beliefs would those be?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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ringo
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Message 1712 of 2370 (878718)
07-03-2020 3:18 PM
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07-03-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
They don't really look for anything else but what they believe existed.
That's obviously false. For example, Darwin read Lyell's book on geology while he was on the voyage where he made his observations. He had no idea "what to look for" to back up a theory that he han't even thought of yet. And Lyell had no idea "what to look for" that would back up a theory that hadn't even been thought of yet.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1713 of 2370 (878720)
07-03-2020 3:24 PM
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07-03-2020 12:47 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago
dad writes:
In the case of the correlation gang here, name you best point. I can knock it out.
There are threads and threads full of RAZD's correlations. Feel free to go over there and knock any of them out.
dad writes:
Who cares if misreading ratios in two separate rocks yields totally imaginary dates that could never be proven?
It isn't just about rocks though. It's about lake varves and ice cores and tree rings.... Go ahead and explain how the age of a tree ring can just "happen" to correspond with the age of an ice core on the opposite side of the world.

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ringo
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Message 1714 of 2370 (878721)
07-03-2020 3:28 PM
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07-03-2020 12:41 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
You mentioned the communication that used to exist, not me.
You talked about fables and I pointed out that the fables (talking animals) are in the Bible, not in science. And fables are fiction, so I wasn't talking about anything that "used to exist".

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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dad
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Message 1715 of 2370 (878730)
07-03-2020 5:07 PM
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07-03-2020 3:24 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago
Show us an example of how varves agree with tree rings somewhere say around 10,000 years ago. I'll look at it.

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dad
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Message 1716 of 2370 (878731)
07-03-2020 5:09 PM
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07-03-2020 3:28 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
If you claim that communication with angels or Adam in the garden and animals is not true, then you need some proof.

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dad
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Message 1717 of 2370 (878732)
07-03-2020 5:10 PM
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07-03-2020 3:18 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Then they were pre origin science.

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Message 1718 of 2370 (878733)
07-03-2020 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1711 by AZPaul3
07-03-2020 3:09 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
In the case of the evolution of life, the main belief is in a same nature in the past. (hence the radioactive decay, the rate of adaptation, the ways things fossilize, etc etc)

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JonF
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Message 1719 of 2370 (878735)
07-03-2020 6:06 PM
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07-03-2020 5:07 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 1720 of 2370 (878736)
07-03-2020 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1716 by dad
07-03-2020 5:09 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Well before we waste time on a past that might never have been, we'll need to hear your refutation of Last Thursdayism.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1721 of 2370 (878737)
07-03-2020 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1716 by dad
07-03-2020 5:09 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
If you claim that communication with angels or Adam in the garden and animals is not true, then you need some proof.
It's fiction.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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ringo
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Message 1722 of 2370 (878740)
07-03-2020 9:04 PM
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07-03-2020 5:10 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Then they were pre origin science.
Again, no such thing. Science is science. I just follows the evidence. It does not decide ahead of time - like you do - what the evidence "should" be.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." --John Wing

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ringo
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Message 1723 of 2370 (878741)
07-03-2020 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1716 by dad
07-03-2020 5:09 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
If you claim that communication with angels or Adam in the garden and animals is not true, then you need some proof.
You keep getting it backwards. We don't look for negative evidence. That would be like saying we can't find France so it doesn't exist. That kind of silly conclusion is for you, not for science.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." --John Wing

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1724 of 2370 (878742)
07-03-2020 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1715 by dad
07-03-2020 5:07 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago
dad writes:
Show us an example of how varves agree with tree rings somewhere say around 10,000 years ago. I'll look at it.
I told you, it's all in RAZD's threads. You've had ample opportunity to look at it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." --John Wing

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dad
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Message 1725 of 2370 (878744)
07-03-2020 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1719 by JonF
07-03-2020 6:06 PM


Re: KT layer versus 4500 years ago
Ok, so it looks like a tree ring line goes 14,000 years. Can you give details? What trees are involved?(obviously not live ones)

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