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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And I pointed out that you're extremely arrogant to include everybody else in your ignorance. I admitted we do not know USING SCIENCE, either way."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Now that is a really silly thing to say. Unless we can show that it didn't change, you will assume that it did? So tomorrow you'll come to EvC assuming that it has changed to the website for Major League baseball?
ringo writes:
Unless you can prove it was the same there is no need. We believe what we choose. All you have to do is present some evidence that nature changed. dad writes:
You're just repeating yourself. You might as well be squawking like a chicken.
The claim that nature was the same is not falsifiable. (able to be proved to be false). dad writes:
The pattern of the rings - e.g. wide narrow narrow wide extra-wide, etc. - can be compared from tree to tree. The same pattern over a number of years indicates the same time period. Thus, the time periods can be detected even when the lifespans of the individual trees overlap - and a timeline can be established that is much longer than the lifetime of one tree. How does a dead tree tell you how fast it used to grow 4600 years ago exactly? It's all in RAZD's many, many threads. For God's sake, do some honest research."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Nobody cares what you have reason to assume.
Unless you know and can prove that the nature you use in all models of the past was as you claim, I have no reason to assume it was. dad writes:
That's a stretch at best. A scripture that refers to talking snakes is not a reliable "record" of reality.
In fact, Scripture and even ancient history to some extent records that it was not the same. dad writes:
As I have said more than once, RAZD covers all of that in some detail. If you had any honesty, you would address those points over there.
Let's see a close up of tree rings over 5000 deep? Let's look at that pattern for that time. dad writes:
You're losing the plot, daddy-o. You're the one who's trying to overthrow millions of person-hours of work by thousands of people for hundreds of years. Nobody owes you any answers. The answers are there if you have the honesty to look at them. Apparently, you don't. If you pass that bar, we will then ask the question...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
You haven't shown any such thing. All you've done is refuse to look at the demonstration. Come back when you've refuted RAZD. It is arrogant of you to pretend science knows when being shown unable to demonstrate it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
How do you know that? Have you read everythong he wrote?
Razd did not cover how trees grew in the past. dad writes:
He died just recently.
By the way I don't see him around..? dad writes:
It isn't about rejecting God. Plenty of believers accept the reality that the scriptures are unreliable. We have a whole raft of topics about the Bible if you want to learn something. No one thinks Scripture is reliable to those who have rejected God."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Again I have to ask if you have read everything that RAZD wrote. If you haven't, you have honesty issues. If you have, you're the one with comprehension issues. If there's anything that RAZD wrote that you don't understand, feel free to ask questions in his topics. You have comprehension issues if you think Razd's belief based arguments demonstrated anything."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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Well, opinions are not accepted, of course. They're not science. But scientists are constantly trying to shoot each other down. Make a breakthrough and you're liable to get a Nobel Prize.
The main reason that stuff seems unchallenged is because dissent was quashed and opposing opinions. dad writes:
Then do it. There is nothing in the thread I could not deal with handily. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
It's been there all along and you claim to have read it. You can start on it any time instead of posting empty boasts in this thread. Sure, soon as I get my hands on it."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
I don't think he expects me to rehash everything RAZD wrote. You claim you have already read a lot of it so you should be quite prepared to deal with it. As the moderator said, post the details and evidence. (not a reading assignment)"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
There are thousands of points for you to address. Go and do that instead of boasting to me. I am, if there is some point that you do not yet realize he was defeated on."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
They've been raised. You're just evading. Feel free to raise any one of them. We had a story in high school French class about a person from a certain ethnic group who was extremely lazy. The story started out with some examples of how lazy he was. Then it continued with a friend of his coming over. Friend: Did you see the big parade this afternoon? Lazy Guy: No. Friend: It went right past your house. Weren't you home? Lazy Guy: I've been home all day. Friend: Were you inside or in the back? Lazy Guy: No, I've been sitting here on the porch all day. Friend: Then how could you miss it? Lazy Guy: [shrugs] I guess I was facing the wrong way."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
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That doesn't make much sense, since people with many different belief systems draw the same conclusions from the evidence. Why would Muslims and Jews and Catholics and Buddhists and atheists all agree? I have seen none that are more than belief based yet."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
That's only an issue to you. The issue is not whether they accept them but whether they are beliefs."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
You're just stating your belief.
Example, the same nature in the past upon which science bases models of the past is a belief. dad writes:
Of course it matters who believes it. People of all religions set aside their religious beliefs to accept the evidence. They all have to jump through different hoops to reconcile their beliefs with reality. It doesn't matter who believes it, it is still a belief."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
That's your belief. In every instance posters raised here so far, what you thought was evidence was actually beliefs foisted onto evidences. Maybe you should tell us what you think evidence means."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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