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ringo
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Message 1763 of 2370 (878831)
07-05-2020 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1761 by dad
07-05-2020 12:49 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
I admitted we do not know USING SCIENCE, either way.
And I pointed out that you're extremely arrogant to include everybody else in your ignorance.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1768 of 2370 (878836)
07-05-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1764 by dad
07-05-2020 12:57 PM


Re: the world that then was
dad writes:
ringo writes:
All you have to do is present some evidence that nature changed.
Unless you can prove it was the same there is no need. We believe what we choose.
Now that is a really silly thing to say. Unless we can show that it didn't change, you will assume that it did? So tomorrow you'll come to EvC assuming that it has changed to the website for Major League baseball?
dad writes:
The claim that nature was the same is not falsifiable. (able to be proved to be false).
You're just repeating yourself. You might as well be squawking like a chicken.
dad writes:
How does a dead tree tell you how fast it used to grow 4600 years ago exactly?
The pattern of the rings - e.g. wide narrow narrow wide extra-wide, etc. - can be compared from tree to tree. The same pattern over a number of years indicates the same time period. Thus, the time periods can be detected even when the lifespans of the individual trees overlap - and a timeline can be established that is much longer than the lifetime of one tree.
It's all in RAZD's many, many threads. For God's sake, do some honest research.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 1772 of 2370 (878846)
07-05-2020 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1769 by dad
07-05-2020 2:30 PM


Re: the world that then was
dad writes:
Unless you know and can prove that the nature you use in all models of the past was as you claim, I have no reason to assume it was.
Nobody cares what you have reason to assume.
dad writes:
In fact, Scripture and even ancient history to some extent records that it was not the same.
That's a stretch at best. A scripture that refers to talking snakes is not a reliable "record" of reality.
dad writes:
Let's see a close up of tree rings over 5000 deep? Let's look at that pattern for that time.
As I have said more than once, RAZD covers all of that in some detail. If you had any honesty, you would address those points over there.
dad writes:
If you pass that bar, we will then ask the question....
You're losing the plot, daddy-o. You're the one who's trying to overthrow millions of person-hours of work by thousands of people for hundreds of years. Nobody owes you any answers. The answers are there if you have the honesty to look at them. Apparently, you don't.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 1773 of 2370 (878847)
07-05-2020 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1765 by dad
07-05-2020 12:58 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
It is arrogant of you to pretend science knows when being shown unable to demonstrate it.
You haven't shown any such thing. All you've done is refuse to look at the demonstration. Come back when you've refuted RAZD.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 1782 of 2370 (878865)
07-06-2020 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1776 by dad
07-05-2020 8:24 PM


Re: the world that then was
dad writes:
Razd did not cover how trees grew in the past.
How do you know that? Have you read everythong he wrote?
dad writes:
By the way I don't see him around..?
He died just recently.
dad writes:
No one thinks Scripture is reliable to those who have rejected God.
It isn't about rejecting God. Plenty of believers accept the reality that the scriptures are unreliable. We have a whole raft of topics about the Bible if you want to learn something.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1783 of 2370 (878868)
07-06-2020 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1775 by dad
07-05-2020 8:22 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
You have comprehension issues if you think Razd's belief based arguments demonstrated anything.
Again I have to ask if you have read everything that RAZD wrote. If you haven't, you have honesty issues. If you have, you're the one with comprehension issues. If there's anything that RAZD wrote that you don't understand, feel free to ask questions in his topics.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1791 of 2370 (878887)
07-06-2020 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1788 by dad
07-06-2020 1:47 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
The main reason that stuff seems unchallenged is because dissent was quashed and opposing opinions.
Well, opinions are not accepted, of course. They're not science. But scientists are constantly trying to shoot each other down. Make a breakthrough and you're liable to get a Nobel Prize.
dad writes:
There is nothing in the thread I could not deal with handily.
Then do it.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1800 of 2370 (878922)
07-07-2020 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1795 by dad
07-06-2020 10:15 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Sure, soon as I get my hands on it.
It's been there all along and you claim to have read it. You can start on it any time instead of posting empty boasts in this thread.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1811 of 2370 (879032)
07-10-2020 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1803 by dad
07-09-2020 1:07 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
As the moderator said, post the details and evidence. (not a reading assignment)
I don't think he expects me to rehash everything RAZD wrote. You claim you have already read a lot of it so you should be quite prepared to deal with it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1818 of 2370 (879058)
07-10-2020 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1814 by dad
07-10-2020 1:27 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
I am, if there is some point that you do not yet realize he was defeated on.
There are thousands of points for you to address. Go and do that instead of boasting to me.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1822 of 2370 (879086)
07-11-2020 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1820 by dad
07-11-2020 2:34 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Feel free to raise any one of them.
They've been raised. You're just evading.
We had a story in high school French class about a person from a certain ethnic group who was extremely lazy. The story started out with some examples of how lazy he was. Then it continued with a friend of his coming over.
Friend: Did you see the big parade this afternoon?
Lazy Guy: No.
Friend: It went right past your house. Weren't you home?
Lazy Guy: I've been home all day.
Friend: Were you inside or in the back?
Lazy Guy: No, I've been sitting here on the porch all day.
Friend: Then how could you miss it?
Lazy Guy: [shrugs] I guess I was facing the wrong way.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1825 of 2370 (879157)
07-12-2020 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1824 by dad
07-12-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
I have seen none that are more than belief based yet.
That doesn't make much sense, since people with many different belief systems draw the same conclusions from the evidence. Why would Muslims and Jews and Catholics and Buddhists and atheists all agree?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1827 of 2370 (879168)
07-12-2020 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1826 by dad
07-12-2020 2:46 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
The issue is not whether they accept them but whether they are beliefs.
That's only an issue to you.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1832 of 2370 (879230)
07-13-2020 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1828 by dad
07-12-2020 4:32 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Example, the same nature in the past upon which science bases models of the past is a belief.
You're just stating your belief.
dad writes:
It doesn't matter who believes it, it is still a belief.
Of course it matters who believes it. People of all religions set aside their religious beliefs to accept the evidence. They all have to jump through different hoops to reconcile their beliefs with reality.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1835 of 2370 (879298)
07-14-2020 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1834 by dad
07-13-2020 2:11 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
In every instance posters raised here so far, what you thought was evidence was actually beliefs foisted onto evidences.
That's your belief.
Maybe you should tell us what you think evidence means.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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