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jar
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Message 91 of 103 (878681)
07-03-2020 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Fuckdamods
07-03-2020 5:16 AM


I've seen people walk on water and understood it was a trick.

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Tangle
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Message 92 of 103 (878682)
07-03-2020 7:35 AM
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07-03-2020 5:16 AM


SoC writes:

jesus walked on water in four synoptic gospels.

According to the Quran, the prophet Muhammad took a night trip to heaven aboard a winged horse called Buraq.

jesus is elevated above superstition.

Only by those that support the superstition Chuck. Those that believe something else assume their mythologies are correct and yours are wrong. Just as you do theirs.

if you saw a man walking on water, would you believe your eyes? or would you call yourself superstitious?

You haven't seen a man walk on water have you?

You've been told by your priest when you were a child that a man walked on water and he told you this because someone told him. And so on. Your evidence that it actually happened is in a book that was written by bronze age nomads from stories passed around a campfire in the desert.

The authors are anonymous, they did not witness the alleged events themselves and they were written many decades after they were supposed to have happened.

They were then edited for political reasons by a king of a foreign nation attempting to adopt a new territory.

It's not terribly believable is it?

But suppose you did see someone walk on water today. Would you believe what you were seeing? What evidence would you like to see before you accepted it?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 93 of 103 (878694)
07-03-2020 10:24 AM
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07-03-2020 7:35 AM


it takes more faith to accept the ToE then it does to accept Jesus Christ.

I don't really want to get into it in this thread.

but when 4 jewish writers record that somebody walked on water, the historicity of that claim is risen above those who don't walk under ladders near black cats.


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Tangle
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Message 94 of 103 (878698)
07-03-2020 10:36 AM
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07-03-2020 10:24 AM


SoC writes:

it takes more faith to accept the ToE then it does to accept Jesus Christ.

Which is, of course, both wrong and irrelevant. Plus, the accepted theology of the Roman Catholic church - your church - agrees with the ToE. Are you saying that it's wrong?

I don't really want to get into it in this thread.

Threads can be added...

but when 4 jewish writers record that somebody walked on water, the historicity of that claim is risen above those who don't walk under ladders near black cats.

How?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 95 of 103 (878701)
07-03-2020 10:42 AM
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07-03-2020 5:16 AM


a Servant of Christ writes:

jesus walked on water in four synoptic gospels.


If you check your facts, you might find that the incident is not mentioned by Luke.

a Servant of Christ writes:

if you saw a man walking on water, would you believe your eyes?


They did it on Just For Laughs Gags.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 96 of 103 (878714)
07-03-2020 1:42 PM
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07-03-2020 10:42 AM


the way some of the users correspond on this site, it's as if Percy designed an AI version of a skeptic and implanted a few different accounts. What's the difference between Tangle, AzPaul3, and ringo. It's like talking to the same trite skeptic, repeating the same recycled "clever" taunts to believers.

I would love to issue a controversial edict, among this cloister of EvC NPCs, that reality is Jesus Christ, and we are living in it. If Jesus Christ wasn't reality, there would be no need for skeptics to create a Christless multiverse on EvC. Years ago, Percy went as far as to doubt the historicity of Christ.

But Christ is bigger than EvC and he is bigger than life itself. I walked into a church recently and at the altar above the crucifixion was α ⳩ Ω . Fitting as he is the alpha and the omega.

I can't convince any of you of the historicity of Christ's peerless miracles. But among all scholars, there is universal agreement that the synoptic gospels and dead sea scrolls represent a layer of historicity and authenticity that is lacking in any other major religion.

Edited by a servant of Christ, : No reason given.


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Message 97 of 103 (878715)
07-03-2020 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Fuckdamods
07-03-2020 1:42 PM


“Among all scholars....”

All scholars with whom asoC agrees, that is to say. ALL scholars, not so much.


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AZPaul3
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Message 98 of 103 (878722)
07-03-2020 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by vimesey
07-03-2020 5:24 AM


Dynamo walking on water HQ

But his shoes, socks and cuffs of his pants got all drenched. That is real sloppy god-work in my book. Second rate at best. Must be christian. Top-of-the-line god wouldn't even be damp. Osiris wouldn't have had a drop on him.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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ringo
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Message 99 of 103 (878724)
07-03-2020 3:38 PM
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07-03-2020 1:42 PM


a Servant of Christ writes:

What's the difference between Tangle, AzPaul3, and ringo.


I'm the good-looking one.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Tangle
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Message 100 of 103 (878726)
07-03-2020 4:02 PM
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07-03-2020 1:42 PM


SoC writes:

What's the difference between Tangle, AzPaul3, and ringo.

I'm the billionaire, social media influencer and lesbian.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 101 of 103 (878840)
07-05-2020 3:25 PM
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07-03-2020 4:02 PM


What's the difference between Tangle, AzPaul3, and ringo.

I'm the one who's late to the party.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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jar
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Message 102 of 103 (878842)
07-05-2020 3:49 PM
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07-05-2020 3:25 PM


Nah, you're on time; the others simply arrived early.

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Message 103 of 103 (878843)
07-05-2020 4:01 PM
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07-03-2020 4:02 PM


Sins
Shame on you for being a billionaire. Save the planet!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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