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Message 1786 of 2370 (878877)
07-06-2020 1:43 PM
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07-06-2020 8:28 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
quote:
OK, so first off, who is *we*?
We are those living on earth. We choose what we believe generally.
quote:
Science in this context means the collective critical thought process and data analysis of the scientiofic community-at-large correct?
No.
Definition of science
1 : the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
Not the state of having hunches beliefs of feelings or assumptions.
You are welcome to your beliefs. Present them as such.

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Message 1787 of 2370 (878878)
07-06-2020 1:45 PM
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07-06-2020 9:29 AM


Re: the world that then was
Sorry to hear that, he was a lively debater.

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Message 1788 of 2370 (878879)
07-06-2020 1:47 PM
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07-06-2020 9:36 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
The main reason that stuff seems unchallenged is because dissent was quashed and opposing opinions.
There is nothing in the thread I could not deal with handily.

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Message 1789 of 2370 (878880)
07-06-2020 1:48 PM
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07-06-2020 10:37 AM


Re: We don't ASSUME the past was the same
Scripture and ancient historical records of the past.

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Message 1790 of 2370 (878882)
07-06-2020 2:16 PM
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07-06-2020 1:47 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
The main reason that stuff seems unchallenged is because dissent was quashed and opposing opinions.
Prove it.
dad writes:
There is nothing in the thread I could not deal with handily.
I would like to see that.

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Message 1791 of 2370 (878887)
07-06-2020 3:29 PM
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07-06-2020 1:47 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
The main reason that stuff seems unchallenged is because dissent was quashed and opposing opinions.
Well, opinions are not accepted, of course. They're not science. But scientists are constantly trying to shoot each other down. Make a breakthrough and you're liable to get a Nobel Prize.
dad writes:
There is nothing in the thread I could not deal with handily.
Then do it.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

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Message 1792 of 2370 (878888)
07-06-2020 3:39 PM
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07-06-2020 1:48 PM


Re: We don't ASSUME the past was the same
You are free to believe those... but they are not objective evidence. There are many other explanations for the unusual events described in those writings.
For example, exaggerating the attributes of one's ancestors is a common pract throughout the world, and could be the explanation for the long lives recorded in the Bible.

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Message 1793 of 2370 (878893)
07-06-2020 7:53 PM
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07-06-2020 1:37 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Certainly the world described in early Sumer seemed different, since they have people living many centuries.
"seemed"? Doesn't sound very reliable or scientific. Is there any evidence the Sumerians actually had lifespans of many centuries or did it only seem that way?
They also had spirits living with us in Egyptian records.
Did they? Did they really? How do you know that?
That would not be natural now.
No, it wouldn't be. Makes you wonder if such things are real or just stories.

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Message 1794 of 2370 (878898)
07-06-2020 10:15 PM
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07-06-2020 2:16 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Then post your best shot from it and watch the action.

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Message 1795 of 2370 (878899)
07-06-2020 10:15 PM
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07-06-2020 3:29 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Sure, soon as I get my hands on it.

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Message 1796 of 2370 (878900)
07-06-2020 10:17 PM
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07-06-2020 3:39 PM


Re: We don't ASSUME the past was the same
There is no reasonable case for that. The lifespans are offered as a record. There is no precedent in the bible for false chronology.

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Message 1797 of 2370 (878901)
07-06-2020 10:20 PM
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07-06-2020 7:53 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
We know spirits are listed in Egypt for one reason because the king list cites gods as the first early kings. We know long life spans are recorded in Sumer. There is no science that addresses this either way. You can believe they were liars for no real reason if you like. But the ancient record is still there and says what it says.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1798 of 2370 (878904)
07-06-2020 11:25 PM
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07-06-2020 10:20 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
We know spirits are listed in Egypt for one reason because the king list cites gods as the first early kings.
Show me.
We know long life spans are recorded in Sumer.
Show me.
But the ancient record is still there and says what it says.
Show me.

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dad
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Message 1799 of 2370 (878915)
07-07-2020 3:52 AM
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07-06-2020 11:25 PM


Historical record evidence
"Some scholars (e.g. Wood, 2003) have drawn attention to the fact that there are remarkable similarities between the Sumerian King List and accounts in Genesis. For example, Genesis tells the story of ‘the great flood’ and Noah’s efforts to save all the species of animals on Earth from destruction. Likewise, in the Sumerian King List, there is discussion of a great deluge: the flood swept over the earth.
The Sumerian King List provides a list of eight kings (some versions have 10) who reigned for long periods of time before the flood, ranging from 18,600 to 43,200 years. This is similar to Genesis 5, where the generations from Creation to the Flood are recorded. Interestingly, between Adam and Noah there are eight generations, just as there are eight kings between the beginning of kingship and the flood in the Sumerian King List.
After the flood, the King List records kings who ruled for much shorter periods of time. Thus, the Sumerian King List not only documents a great flood early in man’s history, but it also reflects the same pattern of decreasing longevity as found in the Bible - men had extremely long life spans before the flood and much shorter life spans following the flood (Wood, 2003). "
The Sumerian King List Reveals the Origin of Mesopotamian Kingship | Ancient Origins
And spirits listed as early rulers in Egypt can be seen here
Turin King List - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Message 1800 of 2370 (878922)
07-07-2020 9:21 AM
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07-06-2020 10:15 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Sure, soon as I get my hands on it.
It's been there all along and you claim to have read it. You can start on it any time instead of posting empty boasts in this thread.

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