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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
dad
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Message 1786 of 2073 (878914)
07-07-2020 3:38 AM
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07-07-2020 2:25 AM


Ha. A pope buying into evolution and the BB. Amazing.

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vimesey
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Message 1787 of 2073 (878916)
07-07-2020 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1785 by dad
07-07-2020 3:36 AM


God did design intelligently of course.
Let’s pick a few children’s congenital diseases at random then:
Long segment tracheal stenosis. When a child has tracheal stenosis the tracheal rings are often fixed and O-shaped, so do not allow for growth and this can cause life-threatening respiratory distress.
Primary ciliary dyskinesia. PCD is an inherited condition where the cilia (microscopic hairs that beat in the airways) do not develop normally and this may affect the lungs, nose, sinuses and ears. Because of this, respiratory infections are very common in these children and these may be life-threatening.
Neuroblastoma. Neuroblastoma is a rare and aggressive childhood cancer and the cause is unknown. It is the most common solid tumour in children after brain tumours.
So god designed intelligently ? What are the above examples of ? Mistakes or cruelty ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Message 1788 of 2073 (878917)
07-07-2020 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1784 by PaulK
07-07-2020 2:39 AM


a servant of Christ writes:
macroevolution is a fairy tale
PaulK writes:
You say that, but there is strong evidence that says that it happened - and there are Young Earth Creationists who argue that it did happen - and even quicker than scientists would say.
You can't even explain microevolution correctly. None in your fish evolves to mammals clique can.

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Trump won 
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Message 1789 of 2073 (878918)
07-07-2020 7:16 AM
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07-07-2020 5:07 AM


result of a fallen world
god did not create evil. evil is the absence of god.
if you recall, a comedian named danny Thomas created a shrine for st jude Thaddeus, an apostle. that humble shrine has cut childhood cancer rate deaths to what 4%
god continually creates good out of evil and suffering
the problem of suffering is a problem for atheists, not for Christ. he died to alleviate our suffering so we can be restored in an afterlife.

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vimesey
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Message 1790 of 2073 (878920)
07-07-2020 7:27 AM
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07-07-2020 7:16 AM


Nope. If your god is omnipotent and good, he has the power to change things (or indeed set them up in the first place) so that innocent children don’t suffer.
If he doesn’t, then either he is not omnipotent, or he is not good.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Message 1791 of 2073 (878923)
07-07-2020 9:23 AM
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07-07-2020 7:27 AM


vimesey writes:
Nope. If your god is omnipotent and good, he has the power to change things (or indeed set them up in the first place) so that innocent children don’t suffer.
If he doesn’t, then either he is not omnipotent, or he is not good.
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil? You can't even do a simple math problem which if you did explains how drug-resistance evolves. That would prevent much suffering and many deaths from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.
If you want to learn something about the subject of good and evil, read the story about Joseph in the book of Genesis. Toward the end of the story, Joseph says this to his brothers (Genesis 50:20), "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." Read that story and learn something about redemption and reconciliation and how God brings about good from evil.
If you want a modern example of this kind of story, read about Desmond Doss and his actions during World War 2 and the battle in Okinawa. I think you have no idea what good and evil is and God to you is nothing more than a genie in a bottle that must do your will. Well, you have been successful in getting the Bible out of public schools and we now have a couple of generations of children that don't understand these principles.

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ringo
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Message 1792 of 2073 (878924)
07-07-2020 9:28 AM
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07-07-2020 9:23 AM


Kleinman writes:
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?
We define good and evil.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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vimesey
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Message 1793 of 2073 (878925)
07-07-2020 9:51 AM
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07-07-2020 9:23 AM


So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?
Yes.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Trump won 
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Message 1794 of 2073 (878928)
07-07-2020 10:29 AM
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07-07-2020 7:27 AM


if you have no respect for a creator, I can see why you think you know more than him.

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vimesey
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Message 1795 of 2073 (878930)
07-07-2020 10:33 AM
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07-07-2020 10:29 AM


I have no belief in a creator. How can I have respect or otherwise for something in which I have no belief ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Trump won 
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Message 1796 of 2073 (878931)
07-07-2020 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1783 by Tangle
07-07-2020 2:25 AM


isn't it amazing when I can disagree with the leader of my faith community and still be in communion with the roman catholic church?
what a great religion. it's almost like it's the one that started it all in the first place.

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Trump won 
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Message 1797 of 2073 (878932)
07-07-2020 10:59 AM
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07-07-2020 10:33 AM


you are not worthy of jesus Christ because you've been given ample time and information about him yet you still do not believe in him and the holiness of his name
yeshua, your name is holy.

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Kleinman
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Message 1798 of 2073 (878935)
07-07-2020 11:16 AM
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07-07-2020 9:28 AM


Kleinman writes:
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?
ringo writes:
We define good and evil.
You only think you do.

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Kleinman
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Message 1799 of 2073 (878936)
07-07-2020 11:20 AM
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07-07-2020 9:51 AM


Kleinman writes:
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?
vimesey writes:
Yes.
You can't even explain how evolution works.

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PaulK
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Message 1800 of 2073 (878937)
07-07-2020 11:29 AM


Does he lurk under a bridge?
Kleinman is very likely a troll.
In Message 228 he wrote:
So, according to Jukes-Cantor calculation, if you compare a single gene from two different species with a single base difference between them and a mutation rate of e-8, you get 50,000,000 generations separating the two species. So, ding-dong, what if you compare a collection of 10 equivalent genes at the same time, each with only a single base difference, that means 500,000,000 generations separating the two species. Now humans and chimps have more than 20,000 coding genes and very few exactly match. So, even if they differ by a single base at each coding genetic locus, you now have 20,000*50,000,000 generations separating the two species. And that is just 1.5% of the genome that you are comparing. Now, include the regulatory portion of the genome in your analysis which is a much larger portion of the genome. How many generations separating humans and chimpanzees?
This is total nonsense. Either he is telling idiotic lies or he has no understanding of the mathematics.
Either way he is not worth listening to.

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