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dad Member (Idle past 1363 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Ha. A pope buying into evolution and the BB. Amazing.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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God did design intelligently of course. Let’s pick a few children’s congenital diseases at random then: Long segment tracheal stenosis. When a child has tracheal stenosis the tracheal rings are often fixed and O-shaped, so do not allow for growth and this can cause life-threatening respiratory distress. Primary ciliary dyskinesia. PCD is an inherited condition where the cilia (microscopic hairs that beat in the airways) do not develop normally and this may affect the lungs, nose, sinuses and ears. Because of this, respiratory infections are very common in these children and these may be life-threatening. Neuroblastoma. Neuroblastoma is a rare and aggressive childhood cancer and the cause is unknown. It is the most common solid tumour in children after brain tumours. So god designed intelligently ? What are the above examples of ? Mistakes or cruelty ?Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
a servant of Christ writes:
You can't even explain microevolution correctly. None in your fish evolves to mammals clique can.
macroevolution is a fairy talePaulK writes: You say that, but there is strong evidence that says that it happened - and there are Young Earth Creationists who argue that it did happen - and even quicker than scientists would say.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
result of a fallen world
god did not create evil. evil is the absence of god. if you recall, a comedian named danny Thomas created a shrine for st jude Thaddeus, an apostle. that humble shrine has cut childhood cancer rate deaths to what 4% god continually creates good out of evil and suffering the problem of suffering is a problem for atheists, not for Christ. he died to alleviate our suffering so we can be restored in an afterlife.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Nope. If your god is omnipotent and good, he has the power to change things (or indeed set them up in the first place) so that innocent children don’t suffer.
If he doesn’t, then either he is not omnipotent, or he is not good.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined:
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vimesey writes:
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil? You can't even do a simple math problem which if you did explains how drug-resistance evolves. That would prevent much suffering and many deaths from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. Nope. If your god is omnipotent and good, he has the power to change things (or indeed set them up in the first place) so that innocent children don’t suffer.If he doesn’t, then either he is not omnipotent, or he is not good. If you want to learn something about the subject of good and evil, read the story about Joseph in the book of Genesis. Toward the end of the story, Joseph says this to his brothers (Genesis 50:20), "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." Read that story and learn something about redemption and reconciliation and how God brings about good from evil. If you want a modern example of this kind of story, read about Desmond Doss and his actions during World War 2 and the battle in Okinawa. I think you have no idea what good and evil is and God to you is nothing more than a genie in a bottle that must do your will. Well, you have been successful in getting the Bible out of public schools and we now have a couple of generations of children that don't understand these principles.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
We define good and evil. So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil? Yes.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
if you have no respect for a creator, I can see why you think you know more than him.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 98 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I have no belief in a creator. How can I have respect or otherwise for something in which I have no belief ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
isn't it amazing when I can disagree with the leader of my faith community and still be in communion with the roman catholic church?
what a great religion. it's almost like it's the one that started it all in the first place.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1266 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
you are not worthy of jesus Christ because you've been given ample time and information about him yet you still do not believe in him and the holiness of his name
yeshua, your name is holy.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You only think you do.
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?ringo writes: We define good and evil.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 361 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You can't even explain how evolution works.
So you think you have the ability to tell what is good and evil?vimesey writes: Yes.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Kleinman is very likely a troll.
In Message 228 he wrote:
So, according to Jukes-Cantor calculation, if you compare a single gene from two different species with a single base difference between them and a mutation rate of e-8, you get 50,000,000 generations separating the two species. So, ding-dong, what if you compare a collection of 10 equivalent genes at the same time, each with only a single base difference, that means 500,000,000 generations separating the two species. Now humans and chimps have more than 20,000 coding genes and very few exactly match. So, even if they differ by a single base at each coding genetic locus, you now have 20,000*50,000,000 generations separating the two species. And that is just 1.5% of the genome that you are comparing. Now, include the regulatory portion of the genome in your analysis which is a much larger portion of the genome. How many generations separating humans and chimpanzees? This is total nonsense. Either he is telling idiotic lies or he has no understanding of the mathematics. Either way he is not worth listening to.
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