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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote: Where in the sequences? You are not being clear. Just admit you don't know. How many samples from what part of each tree sequence was taken for carbon tests?
quote: Ten rings from what tree where and when? Is this in that particular study you posted a graph for? Are you claiming here that they took thousands of carbon samples every ten rings deep for all the trees!?
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:No cabin has rings from Noah's time I would guess. You seem to be arguing a generality here and not specific to the time in question say about 4500 or 5000 years ago. If you claim samples from this time exist, that were specifically carbon dated in this sequence area then show the sample. Let's zoom in on the facts. Otherwise none of this supports your claim of a same nature in the past. No one is debating whether a yearly cycle exists and whether we can date things. The issue is that it only woks in this nature where trees grow at the rates they now do.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Of course not. However the question is WAS there in the past, and do we know? quote: Without evidence of your same nature having existed in the past then there is no reason to hypothesize that it did.Do you have evidence? If so post it. If not then we do not know the tree growth rate in the past. Edited by dad, : No reason given.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:All time passing is time on earth, and the area of the solar system. You seek to use that passing and nature of time as the standard to model all the universe on. All you claims of time rest on that premise. Yes time passes on earth and we know what time is like here and what it has been like since the creation.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Truth matters.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Of course it matters. Only the rings some 5000 years ago or 4500 or whatever matter. So if there is an old tree with say, 6000 rings, only the first thousand rings or so matter. How else would it relate to how fast trees grew in Noah's day? quote:Where in the sequences? Unless you produce samples in the time in question, it is not even relevant. quote:That means nothing without telling us exactly what it is. You can't claim a cross section when you do not even know if carbon samples were taken from 5000 year plus rings. If you claim it was then show exactly where in the rings the sample was taken in that area. quote:OK, that means it is very selective. We need to know who selected what exactly. Otherwise you have no point or support for a same nature in the far past.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote: You admit not knowing where the carbon samples were taken from, no? You assume it was from the pre 5000 deep rings. Yet you have no example or specs. Show us any tree that is several thousand years old, with carbon samples specifically taken from the area more than 5000 deep?
quote:No. How would I know there was any decay at all at the time? We need evidence for claims. quote: This nature would not have changed so life is fine, thanks.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:You cannot speak about what time is like in the unknown deep universe you have no way to measure or see it. We can say what time is like here on earth and the area of the solar system. You seek to extend what we know into the unknown. Seeing that certain aspects of GR seem to apply far away does not mean time exists out there as we know it. quote: No. Things like gravitational waves do not tell us that. The waves are detected here in our spacetime and we see the ripples here. As an example of how they detect the waves on earth we see this.. "A laser is fed into the machine and its beam is split along two paths The separate paths bounce back and forth between damped mirrors Eventually, the two beams are recombined and sent to a detector Gravitational waves passing through the lab should disturb the set-up Theory holds they should very subtly stretch and squeeze its space This ought to show itself as a change in the lengths of the light armsThe photodetector captures this signal in the recombined beams" Gravitational waves: Third detection of deep space warping - BBC News Notice how our space here on earth is what was squeezed. So we are looking at how our spacetime is affected. Yes there are waves from far away coming in. Yes somethimg caused them. The thing is that we do not see the waves anywhwere else but here. Now add to that that distances rely on space and time being the same, so if they are not NO DISTANCES to stars or black holes etc are known. All your math is affected.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Please tell us if light we see in this earth comes from far away? Tell us where we see this light? Do we see it out there, or after it gets here? Ha. quote:That was a googled article, not my knowledge of anything. Do tell us how the newer equipment does more than detect ripples on earth though? Ha. quote:Walk us through what you think you know about the ripples at source? quote:The problem is that since ripples are only detected in the fishbowl here that come from somewhere else, you can really only speak to the way it is here. As for the millions of years claim, that sits on a premise of time and space existing the same in the universe. That is not known, so times and distances claimed are invalid. quote: Nature is not an issue here. Where nature becomes an issue is here on earth and in the far past.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote: Ir reaches here from somewhere. The time it takes would depend on what time and space were like between here and there. This we don't know. Do you have a problem admitting you do not know?
quote:I refer to the solar system and area as the fishbowl. Man has not been or sent probes further than this. quote: The arriving waves do not tell us what time is like out there.
quote: For science claims about origins of life on earth, nature is the issue. You need it to be the same for your religion. You have no proof and offer none. Troll.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:A thread like this is where you would post the evidence for that claim. I don't believe you. quote:Whatever is sent arrives here in our space and time. quote:Nature on earth is what it is, and was what it was. You know what you know and don't know what you don't know. So stop claiming to know it.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Your choice to believe something is your own option. Not science.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
There is nothing about other people ALSO having beliefs that make you having beliefs a fact. You would need to show that any claims of science you make consist of more than beliefs splattered onto evidences.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Your rejection is noted and your religious jealousy.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
? Jesus ruled when He was here? Christians rule the world? It seems to me that the opposite is true. One example in the US is the mob rule lately with the little racist terrorists running amok and calling it protesting..
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