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AZPaul3
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Message 1831 of 2370 (879223)
07-13-2020 4:18 AM
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07-13-2020 1:40 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
Then leave the field. You have been bested.
Your evil religious intentions are rejected.
There is no "other" nature except within your demented twisted little religiously poisoned mind.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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ringo
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Message 1832 of 2370 (879230)
07-13-2020 12:25 PM
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07-12-2020 4:32 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
Example, the same nature in the past upon which science bases models of the past is a belief.
You're just stating your belief.
dad writes:
It doesn't matter who believes it, it is still a belief.
Of course it matters who believes it. People of all religions set aside their religious beliefs to accept the evidence. They all have to jump through different hoops to reconcile their beliefs with reality.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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dad
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Message 1833 of 2370 (879236)
07-13-2020 2:08 PM
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07-13-2020 4:18 AM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
I agree, there is no other nature.

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Message 1834 of 2370 (879237)
07-13-2020 2:11 PM
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07-13-2020 12:25 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
No. People believe the claims of origins posited by science over their own personal beliefs. That does not make it anything more than beliefs. In every instance posters raised here so far, what you thought was evidence was actually beliefs foisted onto evidences.

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Message 1835 of 2370 (879298)
07-14-2020 11:59 AM
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07-13-2020 2:11 PM


Re: Just as the fact that there is no "Bible" ...
dad writes:
In every instance posters raised here so far, what you thought was evidence was actually beliefs foisted onto evidences.
That's your belief.
Maybe you should tell us what you think evidence means.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 1836 of 2370 (879317)
07-14-2020 3:26 PM
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07-13-2020 4:18 AM


She comes, she goes
Give the spinning head routine a rest. Nature is what it is today. It exists. The nature of yesterday and tomorrow will also exist and did exist. You have not addressed the temporal nature issue.

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Message 1837 of 2370 (879318)
07-14-2020 3:28 PM
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07-14-2020 11:59 AM


Proof not poof
Dictionary.com says this.
"that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof."
That works for me. Believing, for example nature was a certain way in the past on earth is not proof. Not evidence.

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ringo
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Message 1838 of 2370 (879335)
07-14-2020 5:22 PM
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07-14-2020 3:28 PM


Re: Proof not poof
dad writes:
Dictionary.com says this.
"that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof."
That's not a scientific definition. Science deals with real-world observations and measurements.
Suppose you have a dead body on the floor with a hole in it and a guy standing over it with a smoking gun in his hand. List what is evidence and what is not evidence.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 1839 of 2370 (879355)
07-15-2020 10:22 AM
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07-14-2020 5:22 PM


quote:
That's not a scientific definition. Science deals with real-world observations and measurements.
The scientific definition must conform. The present world is what you consider the real world and it is real now. However, the present nature is not real in the far past or the future. Therefore when you offer predictions of the past or future based on the present real world, that is not any measurement at all, but a belief based projection.
"Science noun
noun: science
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

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AZPaul3
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Message 1840 of 2370 (879361)
07-15-2020 11:02 AM
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07-15-2020 10:22 AM


Anyone who wants to speak of science must conform to scientific language, syntax and definitions.
Anything less is ignorance and will be derided, ridiculed and ultimately ignored.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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dad
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Message 1841 of 2370 (879363)
07-15-2020 11:40 AM
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07-15-2020 11:02 AM


in the box
One can only conform to small and restricted definitions that don't apply to broader issues so much. What one cannot do is apply those little in box definitions beyond the limits they apply.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1842 of 2370 (879366)
07-15-2020 11:49 AM
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07-15-2020 11:40 AM


Re: in the box
And the practitioners of the sciences determine where and when any limits apply to scientific terminology. Not some religious yahoo on an internet forum.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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ringo
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Message 1843 of 2370 (879369)
07-15-2020 12:16 PM
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07-15-2020 10:22 AM


dad writes:
The scientific definition must conform.
You have it backwards. The dictionary definition must conform to the actual use of the word.
dad writes:
when you offer predictions of the past or future based on the present real world, that is not any measurement at all, but a belief based projection.
That's your belief. It isn't worth any more than belief in the Tooth Fairy.
So, enlighten us some more on what you consider evidence to be. Suppose you have a dead body on the floor with a hole in it and a guy standing over it with a smoking gun in his hand. List what is evidence and what is not evidence.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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dad
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Message 1844 of 2370 (879379)
07-15-2020 2:31 PM
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07-15-2020 11:49 AM


Re: in the box
Science has limits and those are determined by the scope of knowledge and abilities they have, not by them voting on it! Ha.

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Message 1845 of 2370 (879380)
07-15-2020 2:33 PM
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07-15-2020 12:16 PM


The use of the word actually goes beyond the limits of so called science and even actual science. The need for proof of claims does not end when one dons a lab coat and spouts off on TV.

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