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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
The vital nuance they deserve in my opinion is a flush.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined:
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No, evolution needs the flush. God did design intelligently of course.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Ha. A pope buying into evolution and the BB. Amazing.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Why would a belief need replacement? The evolving we see is here today. In the past, you don't really know how evolution worked or what evolved from what or where it started.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Right, so evolution is real and happens. But the process of evolution itself is not responsible for life on earth. That is just a belief.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Probability depends on what factors are used to determine what is probable. It isn't really applicable to TOE. They use beliefs to determine what was 'probable'.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
The probability of rapid adapting in the past is not an issue, but a matter of record. We see all the skin changes and etc and know the timeframe it happened in. Science bases what is probable on the way things work today. That is their fatal flaw.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:The same reasons that we can't say it is not probable that wolves will eat grass and lions will eat grass one day soon. The basis for what is probable cannot be this present world and nature. For the past this holds true also. quote:Genetics do not appear to be the same as now in the future in the bible. The changes to animals will be fast, lightning fast. The changes to mankind also will be. They will live a thousand years again for example. It is not the mutation rate that will be responsible for this. It sounds more like a new set of laws working on animals and man and the world will be responsible. Nothing random about it. The same holds true of the past. The way genetics worked was simply not the same and not under the current laws. We cannot use the way things now work in this temporary nature as the basis for what was or will be probable.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
The evidence is that we have no evidence nature was the same or, therefore genetics was working the same. Your fail to produce any is evidence.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:The issue is that lions and wolves will eat plants rather than being carnivorous. Not whether some dog may eat a little grass. Missing that is missing the forest for the trees. quote:We can predict things based on the processes in place that we observe. You cannot assume those same processes existed in the past and that what is now probable was also probable in the past. If we predict that a group of people that were relocated, for example, to a hot place in Africa would see inherited skin colour change is say, 3000 years, based on how fast DNA changes and adaptation and etc work, that is only true as long as it is the same for that time. To apply probability based on observed features of the present nature to life way back in Adam or Noah's day iis to assume that all things were and remained the same. Unless you know they did, you cannot use probability. quote:The issue with the theory of the evolution of life has to do with the hand God dealt animals and people and nature long ago, not what hand we are dealt now. quote: Right, you can only speak to how things work now. Science cannot say that either things were the same or not, and whether things will be the same or not. So as far as science goes all we can say is we don't know. As far as the bible goes, we know all kinds of animals on earth were in one place on one boat something like, say 4500 years ago. There is no way all the millions of species could have adapted from one kind of each animal that long ago if the present nature had been in place. Nor any way plants could grow hyper fast, or people live 1000 years etc. Similarly, in the future spoken of in the bible, we could not have the present nature in place. One example is that animals will change from carnivorous, to cud chewers and vegetarians, and this will happen in a very short time.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Science says it was the same and that the present is the key to the past. How this works is you better prove it.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
My point also. Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote: So you have nothing to evidence your contention that the laws of nature were the same long ago. Got it. It is not my contention that science knows, that would be your contention. I am happy to go with the records of the past we do have.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence.
Post where you claim it was done and it will be shown to be basically belief based religious fable telling.
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dad Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:If you are claiming that special diets for carnivores is fulfilling what the bible says about lions eating grass, then you have no respect for Scripture. Seriously? We are told serpents will no longer be dangerous, lions will lay with the lamb and play with toddlers safely etc. Obviously this requites very fundamental changes in nature. quote: And you can't assume that things worked the same in the past unless you have some evidence to do so. Nor can you use recent scientific experiments about how things now work, and apply this to an unknown future or past.
quote: The TOE. (abiogenesis is such a total fable it doesn't matter) If all evolving started with the first man and woman and animals, then how could we run math on that? If adapting was as fast as the timeframe Scriptre indicates, there is no way modern rates applied. So using modern evolving rates and realities as a basis for the numbers to run math is not possible.
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