Did the Flood really happen?

Science has NO limits. The ability to arrive at scientific conclusions may be limited by the data *presently* available but there is NOTHING science cannot track, analyse, hypothesize and, eventually, come to a conclusion on when enough data becomes available.We can do science on ANYTHING in this universe. Science has no limits. None.

That has nothing to do with the scientific meanings of words and concepts.When a field of science gives a specific scientific meaning to a word then THAT is THE ONLY allowed definition of that word in ANY scientific discussion. No other definitions are allowed or accepted.If you cannot accept and properly use a word with a defined and accepted scientific definition then you cannot do the science and your arguments are rejected.

And that is why no one will ever let you do science, because no one would have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

Address the issues here and evidence your position. I'd prefer not to descend to the level of childishness and foot stomping and cry baby whining that you try to goad us into.

If science has no limits, raise the dead! Fly people to the stars!Humble down and admit man has limits in knowledge and ability.

A scientific discussion for you seems to be insulting others, and making silly statements.The flood is not within the power of science to determine one way or the other. The way science models the past is using the present and nature today. That does not fit any definition of the word evidence.

There are no limits to what science can investigate.Physics, this universe, as revealed to us by this science, limits what actions matter and energy can take. The science is not limited. The physics is.If you had any knowledge in science and physics you would have known this and would not have tried such a stupid, vacuous response.

You don't give any kind of scientific discussion. You give inane silly delusional reasons for supporting your religious fairy tales. That is a major difference.You are using religious bullshit to deride known and respected science like you know better and can overrule thousands of the smartest people our species has ever produced.The only appropriate response to that is contemptuous derision.Religion is an evil disease infesting the mind of humanity and deserves no patience, tolerance or respect.Insult, strongly delivered, repeatedly voiced, widely shouted, is the only remedy to such evil.Religion is like Nazis. You need to be punched in the mouth and stomped on ... hard. Yeah it is and we know it is fake. This forum is full of the evidence. You fools lost this one more than 50 years ago but are so fucking blind and so fucking stupid you keep coming back with the same refuted bullshit over and over.I should soften this before I post it but I let myself get too mad so bite me.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Physics, this universe, as revealed to us by this science, limits what actions matter and energy can take. The science is not limited. The physics is.

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Total baloney. You are unable to admit the limits of man's knowledge and abilities.

Unless you want to deny that science assumes a same nature in the past it is a matter of scientific basis for models. Your other choice is to prove it.

As with all physical things in this universe the laws of physics places strict limits on the physical actions of we puny humans. But it has also allowed through the emergent properties of our physical minds an intellect and a creative imagination that appear unbounded through time.What we have found is that in science humanity's knowledge continues to grow in ways and fields we never know possible and our technology continues to grow to overcome physical limitations.You are right, I cannot admit to limits on our knowledge and abilities because, as history has shown us, unfettered by religious shackles, both knowledge and ability continue to progress. There is a vast universe of knowledge to be uncovered and we humans have just barely begun to explore. We have overcome so many "limits" to our knowledge and ability in the past that only a religious fool would suggest this will not continue.

We do not assume nature was the same in the past. We know it was. We can see the past and we can see the operations of the laws of physics are consistent. This is fact. It is settled science and need not be justified to some religious nut case with a hair up his butt.If you care to challenge this then it is up to you to produce the evidence of this "other, different" nature.

But the use of the word outside science has no bearing on the use of the word in science. We're not talking about anybody on TV. If that's where you get your science information, it's no wonder you're so badly misinformed.Edited by ringo, : Added quote.

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As with all physical things in this universe the laws of physics places strict limits on the physical actions of we puny humans

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Time is not a law of physics nor is space. One limit science has is the limit of being unable to leave the solar system area. Science also only deals with the present nature and laws on earth and has no way to deal with anything else. It lives here.

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But it has also allowed through the emergent properties of our physical minds an intellect and a creative imagination that appear unbounded through time.

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Speaking of unbounded imagination, you seem to have some.

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You are right, I cannot admit to limits on our knowledge and abilities because, as history has shown us, unfettered by religious shackles, both knowledge and ability continue to progress. There is a vast universe of knowledge to be uncovered and we humans have just barely begun to explore. We have overcome so many "limits" to our knowledge and ability in the past that only a religious fool would suggest this will not continue.

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Fine, don't admit you don't know it all. Your religion of hate toward other religions is not something I respect.

So in your bizzaro world Special Relativity does not exist. Typical.The rest of your post is, likewise, religious hogwash. You are a religionist and as such everything to you is religion. Just like spacetime, the invariance of physics and the power of science you cannot conceive of a real atheistic mind.But, yes, I detest religions, all religions and all of their adherents. Such is a level of intellectual blindness and dishonesty that I will not accept in human interaction.I acknowledge that religious thought is legally allowed and must be tolerated by the kind of enlightened society we are trying to build but I also acknowledge that religious practice is endemic of the weaker mind and such people must be treated as children to be shown the evil of such thoughts and to be protected from themselves and such beliefs.Those who cuddle in the warmth of their religious delusions, if they cannot be gently corrected of such thoughts, must be made safe from the effects of their religions when/where possible.Those who insult society and use their religion as a weapon against reason, reality and humanity need to be opposed, derided and ostracized.You don't have to respect me or my philosophy. I certainly do not respect you and yours. I do not want the respect of morons.