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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
ringo
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Message 1858 of 2073 (879140)
07-12-2020 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1853 by Kleinman
07-11-2020 10:36 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
... the reason you are so stupid is that you are lazy, you don't read the book, and you don't do your homework.
As I said, it's a poor teacher who blames his students.
Kleinman writes:
And it always amuses me when atheists quote their favorite and only verse they know from the Bible.
I was practically born in church and I could literally quote Bible verses before I could read them.
We have a lot of Bible-related topics. Feel free to show us how much you know over there.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1862 of 2073 (879155)
07-12-2020 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1861 by Kleinman
07-12-2020 1:47 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
ringo writes:
As I said, it's a poor teacher who blames his students.
Sometimes that's where the blame falls.
But you're blaming ALL of your students. Not ONE of the students in this class has learned your lesson. Not ONE of them is bright enough to learn. That seems *ahem* improbable.
My Grade 10 math teacher had trouble right from day one - and once he lost control of the class there was no getting it back. On the Christmas exam there was only one passing grade - 52% - in a class of 30ish. I got 26% - the only exam I have ever failed, incidentally.
They fired the teacher, not the students. We finished the year with the school pricipal - 6 foot 6 and pretty scary. I passed his exam with no trouble.
Kleinman writes:
Oh my, a Bible scholar as well as an expert in the mathematics of evolution in our midst.
I have never claimed to know anything about the "mathematics of evolution". I do have a rudimentary understanding of the mechanics of evolution, which doesn't seem to agree with YOUR mathematics.
My main problem with you is your immature attitude.
I have never claimed to be a Bible scholar either. There are plenty of people on this forum who know more about the Bible than I do. You're welcome to demonstrate that you are one of them.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1867 of 2073 (879176)
07-12-2020 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1865 by Kleinman
07-12-2020 3:23 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
Aren't you the arrogant one.
The arrogant one is you, who thinks you're right and everybody else is wrong.
Kleinman writes:
Not all my students have difficulty with the mathematics of evolution.
You've made it pretty clear that you think everybody in THIS class is stupid.
Kleinman writes:
It's only the fish-to-mammals aficionados that are having a problem with this math.
That would be everybody.
Kleinman writes:
So you blame the teacher for your inability to learn mathematics?
You're not paying attention. I DID learn mathematics - the same material, in the same year, but with a different teacher. It was only that one teacher who failed to teach it.
Kleinman writes:
It is a poor student that blames the teacher when they can't pass an examination.
ONE examination in sixteen years? You seem to be the one having problems with probability here.
Kleinman writes:
You are the one that quoted the "beam in your own eye". Do you really think that Jesus is telling us never to judge?
He told us not to judge with a beam in our eye. That includes not blaming your students before you've looked at your own shortcomings.
Kleinman writes:
If so, that is a very foolish interpretation of that verse.
You're welcome to discuss the Bible in an appropriate topic.
Kleinman writes:
You see, there is a big difference between you and me. When I first started looking at the subject of evolution 20 years ago....
I started more than fifty years ago. I started by trying to prove that the Flood really happened.
Kleinman writes:
I would much rather debate this subject with someone who understands introductory probability theory....
Then why don't you go and do that? Why come here at all?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1873 of 2073 (879228)
07-13-2020 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1869 by Kleinman
07-12-2020 4:39 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
Not everybody, just the fish-to-mammals aficionados.
That is everybody, except you.
Kleinman writes:
What a surprise, a fish-to-mammals aficionado who has to be spoon-fed mathematics in order to learn the subject.
I was pointing out that you were wrong when you said I couldn't learn mathematics. It was only ONE teacher who failed to teach me. You, on the other hand, have failed to teach ANYBODY on this forum.
Kleinman writes:
Didn't your teacher teach you how to read?
My brother taught me how to read before I started school.
Kleinman writes:
Your problem is that you have to be spoon-fed to learn anything.
On the contrary, I have no trouble learning from a teacher who knows what he/she is doing.
Kleinman writes:
You are the one with the beam in your eye, you don't understand introductory probability theory yet you judge my math is wrong.
You're not paying attention. I haven't judged that your math is wrong. We've been talking about your inability to teach. The evidence shows that you haven't been able to teach ANYBODY on this forum. We also have to wonder why you're vainly trying to teach people on this forum when you could be saving lives with your wonderful breakthrough.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1875 of 2073 (879304)
07-14-2020 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1874 by Kleinman
07-13-2020 1:36 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
You live in a very small frozen wasteland.
But we're connected to the rest of the world by something called the Internet.
Kleinman writes:
And just because you have been indoctrinated into the fish-to-mammals clique....
I was indoctrinated into the God-created-the-heavens-and-the-earth clique.
Kleinman writes:
Have your distant cousins, the bananas taught you anything?
I can trust a banana not to talk bullshit. YOU could learn a lot from a banana if only you were willing to learn.
Kleinman writes:
So what did learn from your teachers that indoctrinated you that you are a distant cousin to bananas?
I haven't taken a biology class since high school and they didn't teach much about evolution then. What little I do know about evolution I learned from the stupidity of creationists.
Kleinman writes:
Did they explain to you how drug-resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail?
They explained to me that when somebody has a great scientific breakthrough (like you claim to have), he should talk to SCIENTISTS about it, not blather to a bunch of laymen where he can't possibly do any good.
Kleinman writes:
It's too bad you haven't learned anything from this discussion and if it makes you feel better to blame me, that's all right.
I'm not "blaming" you for being a bad teacher. I'm just saying that a good teacher doesn't blame his students.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1883 of 2073 (879331)
07-14-2020 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1876 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 1:21 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
And people on this forum claim there are scientists who post on this forum that understand probability theory. Where are they?
You've spoken to some of them. You should be able to spot them.
Kleinman writes:
Don't worry, I'm going to submit my next paper soon.
How many times are you going to mention "fish-to-mammals aficionados" in it?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1885 of 2073 (879340)
07-14-2020 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1884 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 5:46 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
it is going to be very upsetting to a lot of "fish-to-mammals" aficionados.
We had a guy on here a few years ago who was going to publish that one paper that would bring the whole ToE crashing down. One paper, mind you, against thousands.
We're still waiting for that paper.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1888 of 2073 (879368)
07-15-2020 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1886 by Kleinman
07-14-2020 8:12 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Kleinman writes:
The mathematics is complete, the paper is written, the only thing remaining is the last case study for the simulation of two drugs simultaneously for the Kishony experiment. That calculation on my computer system (an older I3 Intel chip running at about 1GHz) can only do 1.5 trillion replications/day. It will take about 200 trillion replications to get the one double beneficial mutation.
Have you ever considered grid computing? I used to be hooked up to the World Community Grid and they had my computer working in its spare time on protein folding. You could hypothetically have thousands of computers working on your problem and returning their results.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1902 of 2073 (879431)
07-16-2020 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1898 by dad
07-16-2020 3:24 AM


Re: get to er
dad writes:
Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence.
It's been done. Nobody owes you your own private explanation.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1911 of 2073 (879527)
07-17-2020 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1903 by dad
07-16-2020 1:26 PM


Re: get to er
dad writes:
Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence.
And we have it, whether you understand it or not.
dad writes:
Post where you claim it was done and it will be shown to be basically belief based religious fable telling.
As I've told you more than once, try RAZD's threads on correlations. So far, you haven't shown anything there.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1913 of 2073 (879577)
07-18-2020 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1912 by dad
07-17-2020 1:55 PM


Re: get to er
dad writes:
You posted nothing of interest or value there. Why pretend. I think the thread is still active, you should dredge up some item there you think was unfairly treated or valuable, etc.
Are you talking to yourself? YOU are the one who's trying to overthrow the status quo in science. Do you really think you can do that with nothing but denial?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1915 of 2073 (879632)
07-19-2020 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1914 by dad
07-18-2020 5:16 PM


Re: get to er
dad writes:
Why would I need to overthrow a religion?
Why else are you here?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1919 of 2073 (879658)
07-19-2020 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1918 by dad
07-19-2020 1:26 PM


Re: get to er
dad writes:
ringo writes:
Why else are you here?
As a beacon of truth and light.
A beacon of light and truth has a purpose, a goal. What's yours?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1923 of 2073 (879690)
07-20-2020 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1920 by dad
07-19-2020 9:27 PM


Re: let my little people go
dad writes:
Well, offering an opinion that kids should no longer be taught lies in school....
The courts have already agreed that children should not be taught lies/creationism im school.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 1943 of 2073 (879824)
07-23-2020 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1941 by Kleinman
07-22-2020 6:46 PM


Re: TOE is religion in schools
Kleinman writes:
Is it true that fish are our distant relatives? If so, how did this happen?
You seem to think that's what's being taught in schools. If you've been to school, you ought to know.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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