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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
As I said, it's a poor teacher who blames his students.
... the reason you are so stupid is that you are lazy, you don't read the book, and you don't do your homework. Kleinman writes:
I was practically born in church and I could literally quote Bible verses before I could read them. And it always amuses me when atheists quote their favorite and only verse they know from the Bible. We have a lot of Bible-related topics. Feel free to show us how much you know over there."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
But you're blaming ALL of your students. Not ONE of the students in this class has learned your lesson. Not ONE of them is bright enough to learn. That seems *ahem* improbable. ringo writes:
Sometimes that's where the blame falls. As I said, it's a poor teacher who blames his students. My Grade 10 math teacher had trouble right from day one - and once he lost control of the class there was no getting it back. On the Christmas exam there was only one passing grade - 52% - in a class of 30ish. I got 26% - the only exam I have ever failed, incidentally. They fired the teacher, not the students. We finished the year with the school pricipal - 6 foot 6 and pretty scary. I passed his exam with no trouble.
Kleinman writes:
I have never claimed to know anything about the "mathematics of evolution". I do have a rudimentary understanding of the mechanics of evolution, which doesn't seem to agree with YOUR mathematics. Oh my, a Bible scholar as well as an expert in the mathematics of evolution in our midst. My main problem with you is your immature attitude. I have never claimed to be a Bible scholar either. There are plenty of people on this forum who know more about the Bible than I do. You're welcome to demonstrate that you are one of them."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
The arrogant one is you, who thinks you're right and everybody else is wrong.
Aren't you the arrogant one. Kleinman writes:
You've made it pretty clear that you think everybody in THIS class is stupid.
Not all my students have difficulty with the mathematics of evolution. Kleinman writes:
That would be everybody.
It's only the fish-to-mammals aficionados that are having a problem with this math. Kleinman writes:
You're not paying attention. I DID learn mathematics - the same material, in the same year, but with a different teacher. It was only that one teacher who failed to teach it.
So you blame the teacher for your inability to learn mathematics? Kleinman writes:
ONE examination in sixteen years? You seem to be the one having problems with probability here.
It is a poor student that blames the teacher when they can't pass an examination. Kleinman writes:
He told us not to judge with a beam in our eye. That includes not blaming your students before you've looked at your own shortcomings.
You are the one that quoted the "beam in your own eye". Do you really think that Jesus is telling us never to judge? Kleinman writes:
You're welcome to discuss the Bible in an appropriate topic.
If so, that is a very foolish interpretation of that verse. Kleinman writes:
I started more than fifty years ago. I started by trying to prove that the Flood really happened.
You see, there is a big difference between you and me. When I first started looking at the subject of evolution 20 years ago.... Kleinman writes:
Then why don't you go and do that? Why come here at all? I would much rather debate this subject with someone who understands introductory probability theory...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That is everybody, except you.
Not everybody, just the fish-to-mammals aficionados. Kleinman writes:
I was pointing out that you were wrong when you said I couldn't learn mathematics. It was only ONE teacher who failed to teach me. You, on the other hand, have failed to teach ANYBODY on this forum.
What a surprise, a fish-to-mammals aficionado who has to be spoon-fed mathematics in order to learn the subject. Kleinman writes:
My brother taught me how to read before I started school.
Didn't your teacher teach you how to read? Kleinman writes:
On the contrary, I have no trouble learning from a teacher who knows what he/she is doing.
Your problem is that you have to be spoon-fed to learn anything. Kleinman writes:
You're not paying attention. I haven't judged that your math is wrong. We've been talking about your inability to teach. The evidence shows that you haven't been able to teach ANYBODY on this forum. We also have to wonder why you're vainly trying to teach people on this forum when you could be saving lives with your wonderful breakthrough. You are the one with the beam in your eye, you don't understand introductory probability theory yet you judge my math is wrong."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
But we're connected to the rest of the world by something called the Internet.
You live in a very small frozen wasteland. Kleinman writes:
I was indoctrinated into the God-created-the-heavens-and-the-earth clique.
And just because you have been indoctrinated into the fish-to-mammals clique.... Kleinman writes:
I can trust a banana not to talk bullshit. YOU could learn a lot from a banana if only you were willing to learn.
Have your distant cousins, the bananas taught you anything? Kleinman writes:
I haven't taken a biology class since high school and they didn't teach much about evolution then. What little I do know about evolution I learned from the stupidity of creationists.
So what did learn from your teachers that indoctrinated you that you are a distant cousin to bananas? Kleinman writes:
They explained to me that when somebody has a great scientific breakthrough (like you claim to have), he should talk to SCIENTISTS about it, not blather to a bunch of laymen where he can't possibly do any good.
Did they explain to you how drug-resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail? Kleinman writes:
I'm not "blaming" you for being a bad teacher. I'm just saying that a good teacher doesn't blame his students. It's too bad you haven't learned anything from this discussion and if it makes you feel better to blame me, that's all right."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You've spoken to some of them. You should be able to spot them.
And people on this forum claim there are scientists who post on this forum that understand probability theory. Where are they? Kleinman writes:
How many times are you going to mention "fish-to-mammals aficionados" in it? Don't worry, I'm going to submit my next paper soon."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
We had a guy on here a few years ago who was going to publish that one paper that would bring the whole ToE crashing down. One paper, mind you, against thousands. it is going to be very upsetting to a lot of "fish-to-mammals" aficionados. We're still waiting for that paper."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Have you ever considered grid computing? I used to be hooked up to the World Community Grid and they had my computer working in its spare time on protein folding. You could hypothetically have thousands of computers working on your problem and returning their results. The mathematics is complete, the paper is written, the only thing remaining is the last case study for the simulation of two drugs simultaneously for the Kishony experiment. That calculation on my computer system (an older I3 Intel chip running at about 1GHz) can only do 1.5 trillion replications/day. It will take about 200 trillion replications to get the one double beneficial mutation."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
It's been done. Nobody owes you your own private explanation. Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And we have it, whether you understand it or not.
Any science claim that uses a basis of a same nature in the past ads true and valid needs reasonable evidence. dad writes:
As I've told you more than once, try RAZD's threads on correlations. So far, you haven't shown anything there. Post where you claim it was done and it will be shown to be basically belief based religious fable telling."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Are you talking to yourself? YOU are the one who's trying to overthrow the status quo in science. Do you really think you can do that with nothing but denial? You posted nothing of interest or value there. Why pretend. I think the thread is still active, you should dredge up some item there you think was unfairly treated or valuable, etc."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Why else are you here? Why would I need to overthrow a religion?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
A beacon of light and truth has a purpose, a goal. What's yours? ringo writes:
As a beacon of truth and light. Why else are you here?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
The courts have already agreed that children should not be taught lies/creationism im school. Well, offering an opinion that kids should no longer be taught lies in school...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
You seem to think that's what's being taught in schools. If you've been to school, you ought to know. Is it true that fish are our distant relatives? If so, how did this happen?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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