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Abshalom
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Message 1 of 12 (76301)
01-02-2004 6:30 PM


Okay, this thread is for Stormdancer and anyone who would like to discuss the gods of Canaan, or the gods that have influenced the theologies and politics of Canaan.
Let's start with the gods that appear to be native to Canaan, the gods imported to Canaan by immigrants or invaders, and the incorporation of the attributes of gods alien to Canaan into the attributes of gods native to Canaan, etc.
I chose "Free For All" because I'm not sure just what Stormdancer intends ... dispensing information, engaging in debate, or discussing Anatolian influences on the Levant. Here's hoping that we can let'r rip without offending anyone.

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Abshalom
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Message 2 of 12 (76302)
01-02-2004 6:37 PM
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01-02-2004 6:30 PM


Bloodlines
In the "No Stealing Unless From Egyptians" thread, Stormdancer offered the following information:
A prostitute; a woman who gives herself for money or religious ritual. Many Canaanite religions used harlots in their rituals, Rahab was a harlot.
Isaiah 1:21
Nahum 3:4
Joshua 2 tells the story of Rahab the prostitute, who received and hid the two men sent by Moses. She became the grand-grand-mother of David, ancestor of Jesus Christ, as described in the genealogy of Jesus in Matt.1:5.
Judah, the forth child of Jacob, slept with what he thought was a "prostitute", but in fact, he slept with his daughter-in-law, Tamar, disguised as a prostitute. Tamar became pregnant, and when Judah knew it he ordered to burn her alive (Gen.38:24). But as she was being led off to be burned, she send word to her father-in-law, and sent to him the pledge given to her by the man who slept with her, the seal, cord and staff.
What is the seal staff and the cord symbolic of? Royal token of Authority.
Now when we look at the pagan roots of the Hebrews this makes sense the Holy prostitute such as Inanna/Ishtar, is seen in Hagar and Tamar then it carries on to Mary.
I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am the mother and the daughter. . . .
I am she whose wedding is great,
And I have not taken a husband. . . .
I am shameless;
I am ashamed. . . .
I am godless,
And I am one whose God is great.
Thunder, Perfect Mind
Gnostic Poem
The Goddess in Jerusalem
Herod Antipas became ruler of the land through the ancient "Sacred Marriage" with the High Queen Mariamne, a priestess of the Triple Goddess Mari-Anna-Ishtar who was popularly worshiped at the time of Christ (B,C,D,E *). This Goddess was noted for her triple-towered temple or "magdala." It is important to note that much of the imagery in the Gospels, especially regarding the Marys, corresponds to the worship of this Goddess Mari-Anna-Ishtar (B,C,D,E *). This will be explored in more detail in the following sections.
http://www.thewhitemoon.com/mary/magdalene.html

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Abshalom
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Message 3 of 12 (76304)
01-02-2004 6:45 PM
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01-02-2004 6:37 PM


Re: Anatolia
Here is part of another Stormdancer post from the "No Stealing, Unless from Egyptians" topic:
(sorry folks, this is the only way I could figure out how to transfer Stormdancer's stuff in a jiffy)
The Seven Churches mentioned by St. John in the Book of Revelations (The Apocalypse)
are all found in Turkey.
The joining of Ashur with Ishtar produced a son named Ninurta, and this is the first formally recorded triad of Goddess, Consort, and Divine Child in the Near East.
Anatolia
Anatolia, which is also called Asia Minor, is a broad peninsula jutting westward from the Asian continent itself. To the north lies the Black Sea, to the south the easternmost part of the Mediterranean. At the entrance to the Black Sea are the Dardanelles and it is here that Asia comes closest to the continent of Europe. Not surprisingly, Anatolia has always been the main link between the Orient and the Occident.
In Neolithic Anatolia (present day Turkey) the Great Goddess was worshiped in the shrines of Catal Huyuk around 6500 BC.
Anatolia was invaded sometime before 2000 BC by the Indo-Europeans and a group of them settled in a part of Anatolia known as Hatti. The invaders and local people came to be known collectively as the Hittites.
These are the same Hittites who sacked Babylonia in 1600 BC and suppressed the worship of Ishtar in favor of their god Marduk.
Most of the references to the Goddess in the literature and texts of Anatolia alluded to the older Hattian deities despite the fact that the only records allowed to survive were written after the conquest of Anatolia by the Indo-Europeans.
One of the most important female deities to survive was the Sun Goddess Arinna. After the conquest she was assigned a husband who was symbolized as a storm god.
At the time of the Hittite invasions of other lands, many of the people who were Goddess-worshipers may have fled to the west. The renowned temple of the Goddess in the city of Ephesus was the target of the apostle Paul's zealous missionary efforts (Acts 19:27). This temple remained active until 380 AD.
Note storm god,
I believe this storm god became YHWH.
Stormdancer, that should get us started. I have to go to a meeting. Later.

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Prozacman
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Message 4 of 12 (76384)
01-03-2004 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Abshalom
01-02-2004 6:45 PM


Re: Anatolia
I have had an idea which may fit with the mythological history you have given. It includes the many-breasted goddess Artemis who is mentioned in Acts. Is it possible that this goddess, barrowed by the Greeks, and later the Romans is none other than the prehistoric goddess of the people of 'Catal-Huyuk' discovered by James Mellart? Is it also possible that this goddess was worshipped by Abrahams' ancestors due to the close proximity(relatively speaking) of Haran, the Halys river, and the Hittite empire? Is it also possible that YHWH, possibly by another name(?), was a consort of this goddess?
I also think YHWH was a storm-god, and that later he was associated with a volcanoe(Mt Horeb?, Mt. Sinai?). Please provide any research you may have as it will hopefully lead to fascinating and enlightening discussion.

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Stormdancer
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Message 5 of 12 (86258)
02-14-2004 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Abshalom
01-02-2004 6:45 PM


Re: Anatolia
Oh my goodness , Abshalom, I didn't find this thread until today.
I am so glad I did.
I am will have to post later , busy today.
cool.

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Stormdancer
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Message 6 of 12 (86670)
02-16-2004 11:33 AM
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01-03-2004 2:08 PM


Re: Anatolia
In Many myths the female deity is symbolizes as a serpent.
The male deity is champion of light
Hittite battle between the storm god and the dragon Illuyankas.
India between Indra, " Lord Of The Mountians" and the goddess Danu and her son Vrtra.
Canaan the storm god Baal and the Goddess Anath,
Babylon between Marduk and Tiamat,
Greece between Zues and typhon son of Gaia, and between Hercules and the serpent Ladon who guards the sacred fruit tree of the goddess Hera..
The finall assault was by the Hebrews and the Christians .
Indra," lord of the mountians,"
Sanskrit word for god means shining or bright,
Ahura Mazda lord of light and his abode is on a mountain top Mount Hara,
Gayo Mareta, Iran, means cow murderer,
Gayo amd Danu was symbolized as the cow goddess.
Goddess Anahita was in charge of the universe Ahura Mazda gave her the task of watching over all creation.
The religion of the Great Mother Goddess existed and flourished for many thousands of years in the Near and Middle East before the arrival of the patriarch Abraham, the first prophet of the dominator male deity, Yahweh. Archaeologists have traced the worship of the Goddess back to the neolithic communities of about 7000 B.C., some to the Upper Paleolithic cultures of about 25,000 B.C. From Neolithic times, at least, its existence has been repeatedly attested to well into Roman Times. Yet, Bible scholars agree that Abraham lived in Canaan as late as between 1800 and 1550 B.C., a veritable Johnny-come-lately!
Suddenly, at a certain point, 5000 years ago, serpents are associated with the goddess, where before, they were apparently not!
Goddess ruled alone in the beginning. At some point she acquired a son or brother who was also her lover and consort. He is generally assumed to have been part of the female religion in much earlier times.
It was this youth who was symbolized by the male role in the annual sexual union with the Goddess. He was known in various languages as Damuzi, Tammuz, Attis, Adonis, Osiris or Baal. This consort died in his youth causing an annual period of grief and lamentation among those who paid homage to the Goddess. Wherever we find symbolism and rituals of the young god, we can recognize the presence of the religion of the Goddess. The people of the early Neolithic cultures of the Near and Middle East may have come down from Europe, possibly the descendants of the Gravettian-Aurignacian cultures. Later, waves of more Northern people descended on both Europe and the Near East. There has been some conjecture that these were the descendants of the Mesolithic (15000 - 8000 B.C.) Maglemosian and Kunda cultures of Northern Europe. But, their arrival was NOT a gradual assimilation - it was wave after wave of aggressive invasion.
northern invaders, generally known as Indo-Europeans, brought their own religion with them: the worship of a young warrior god and a supreme father god. Their arrival in the Near East is attested to by 2400 B.C.,
After these invasions, the worship of the Mother Goddess fluctuated from city to city. As the invaders gained more and more territory over the next two thousand years, the male began to appear as the dominant husband or even the murderer of the Goddess!
Historical, mythological and archaeological evidence suggests that it was these northern people who brought with them the concepts of light as good and dark as evil and of a supreme male deity.
Strangely, it is in the accounts of the Aryans that we find the original religious ideas of the Hebrews. There is the mountain-top god who blazes with light; there is the duality between light and darkness symbolized as good and evil; there is the myth of the male deity defeating the serpent; and there is the supreme leadership of a ruling class: the priestly Levites. All of these are to be found in both the Indo-European and Hebrew religious concepts and politics! The Indo-European patterns were either adopted by the Hebrews, or the Hebrews were Indo-Europeans from the start. But, the end result was that the same ideas and attitudes were later adopted by Christianity.
Since the original sea-people believed that God lived deep inside the volcano, the people of many lands build pyramids to represent the volcano. This was an attempt to control nature. They elected one of their own people (the Pharaoh for example) to represent the volcano God and when he died the Pharaoh was put into the center of the volcano where the God would normally reside. Handcock notes that the pyramids in Egypt were designed to let the Pharoah into the company of Gods, and in Central America pyramids were known as the the place where men became Gods. The science of Alchemy (from the ram-headed god of Egypt, Khnum, and perhaps earlier from kemit, which means black soil, which probably came from the black volcanic soil of Java) developed which later became chemistry. The philosopher’s stone was said to be a stone that was not a stone. In other words like lava. It was said to exist among the most foul things. In other words, among the sulfurous gases escaping from volcanic vents, like those I smelled and gagged on in Hawaii. It was capable of being turned into gold. This is true as even today the rich copper-gold ore deposits in eastern Indonesia (which are igneous and therefore come from magma) are melted and then the gold and copper is skimmed off the top. These people developed a pictorial language and documented their proto-science of world creation as oral stories or stone tablets.
These stories were later carried from the Sunda Shelf to Burma, to India, and perhaps in hieroglyphic or alphabetic form to Sumner and Babylon and Egypt, and to Palestine,
Genesis of the Christian Bible, the Jewish Torah, and the scriptures of the Moslems were all derived from these early observations.
The Volcano God is the primary God of the Old Testament.
Seeing all the volcanic islands and the magma spewing forth, winding down the side of the volcano, the primitive sea people were reminded of the curving undulations of a snake.
Thus the persistent legend of the sea serpent or dragon was born.
The fire that the volcanoes occasionally belched forth became the fire-breath of the sea serpent. The seven-headed serpent of Southeast Asia, later called Naga, was probably the seven highest, or first-appearing volcanoes, as the sailors came around the curve of the earth into view of the islands.
The seven candles of the Jewish menorah stem from these same seven volcanoes. The sea-people developed an elaborate theology around the Volcano God.
The fiery embers and ash of the volcano were seen as messengers of the Volcano God.
This is the basis of angels. The supreme deity of Bali (the island next to Java and as early as 30,000 years ago a part of Java) is pictured there as a man with flames coming out of him, inside a burning ember, flying through the sky, to the earth.
The word angelos comes from a word meaning urn, so we see a possible connection with cinder urns.
In addition there is a folk legend in which children are given a cold cinder in their hand to protect them at night like an angel.
The Hebrew God YHVH (also tranliterated as YHWH, JHVH, JHWH, Yahwe, Yahveh, Yahve, Jahveh, Jahve, Jahweh, and Jahwe) was the unpronounceable name of God. YHVH or later Yaveh or later Jehovah, is probably the same as the island Jawa which later became Java. YHWH was probably the sound that the volcano made as it outgassed carbon dioxide, water vapor, and sulfurous gasses.

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Stormdancer
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Message 7 of 12 (86672)
02-16-2004 11:41 AM


http://www.academicpress.com/...msie/Contents/Chapt80_04.htm
remember this is a just for fun,"freeforall".......
[This message has been edited by Stormdancer, 02-16-2004]

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Stormdancer
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Message 8 of 12 (87500)
02-19-2004 1:22 PM


Well maybe not ...LOL

  
Stormdancer
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Message 9 of 12 (87509)
02-19-2004 1:49 PM


You guys could at least humor me..

  
Prozacman
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Message 10 of 12 (87983)
02-22-2004 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Stormdancer
02-16-2004 11:33 AM


Re: Anatolia
Please excuse the delay in response on my part. Necessities of life always seem to take precident.
There is a book you may be aware of out in the stores at this time that seems to describe some of the points you've made in your very informative post# 6. The book is titled, "When God was a Woman". Author; I don't remember right now, but I mean to get the book & read it.
The author apparently attempts to show from the sciences of archeaology & anthropolgy that the neolithic peoples of old-Europe and the Levant worhipped female fertility goddess(es), how the overall change to
worshipping male gods came about, and and what it all had to do with the myth of Adam & Eve, Yahweh, and ancient Hebrew/Canannite religion.
Hopefully we and interested others will have a fascinating & enlightening discussion which most-likely will present a historically accurate perspective on the natural/mythical origins of the gods & goddesses of the Bible. I will share my thoughts on this in future posts.
PM

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Prozacman
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Message 11 of 12 (87984)
02-22-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Stormdancer
02-16-2004 11:41 AM


Intensely interesting! Now for the science; How does one go about establishing an historical/mythological link from the volcanoe drawing at Catal-Huyuk to Yahweh, the "Volcanoe God"??

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Verzem
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Message 12 of 12 (87994)
02-22-2004 2:53 PM
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02-22-2004 1:42 PM


Re: Anatolia
The author of the book you mentioned is Merlin Stone. It is on my wish list too. But I have vowed to try to get to all of the books I already have before I get any more. So many books, so little time!!
Don't know about giants like Amazon, but I know Powells (my favorite bookseller) has at least one in stock right now.
Verzem

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