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Message 1891 of 2370 (879826)
07-23-2020 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1881 by dad
07-19-2020 9:25 PM


Warning
dad writes:
  • I would suggest that the flood really did happen. I see no evidence that suggests otherwise.
  • There was no civilization before the flood that we know about. They were after, the issue is your dates.
  • I question the claims of science when they base models on nature and laws having been the same.
  • This is a science forum and a science based topic. I am going to ask you to either present your counter-evidence or kindly leave this topic. If you dont listen, you will feel the wrath. (suspensions and worse)

  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    Message 1892 of 2370 (879851)
    07-23-2020 4:49 PM
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    07-23-2020 12:15 PM


    Stop pretending your religion and beliefs are science. That is a misuse of the word.
    Edited by dad, : No reason given.
    Edited by dad, : No reason given.

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    Message 1893 of 2370 (879882)
    07-24-2020 9:18 AM
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    07-23-2020 4:49 PM


    dad writes:
    Stop pretending your religion and beliefs are science. That is a misuse of the word.
    You're the one who's misusing the word. You can believe what you want but you don't get to call it science or define what science is.

    "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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    Juvenissun
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    Message 1894 of 2370 (879979)
    07-27-2020 7:51 AM


    The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system. No one can answer the origin of the seawater and the history of seawater increase. This vast amount of seawater makes the global flood possible.
    This alone, is the most powerful evidence of the global flood.

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    Message 1895 of 2370 (879980)
    07-27-2020 8:04 AM
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    07-27-2020 7:51 AM


    Juvenissum writes:
    The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system. No one can answer the origin of the seawater and the history of seawater increase. This vast amount of seawater makes the global flood possible.
    This alone, is the most powerful evidence of the global flood.
    Hi Juve, just so you know, this is a science forum so you need to provide evidence and sources for your arguments.
    Assuming that you're right that the earth has the most water in the solar system, why does that provide evidence of a global flood?

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    Message 1896 of 2370 (879994)
    07-27-2020 1:38 PM
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    07-27-2020 7:51 AM


    Juvenissun writes:
    The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system.
    I don't know about that.
    But let's assume you're correct about it, anyway.
    So - sure.
    No one can answer the origin of the seawater and the history of seawater increase.
    I also don't know about that.
    But, again, let's assume you're right.
    So, again - sure.
    This vast amount of seawater makes the global flood possible.
    No, it doesn't.
    Just because the Earth has the most amount of sea-water in the solar system doesn't mean it has enough for a global flood as described in the Bible.
    And it doesn't.
    So the flood didn't happen.
    This alone, is the most powerful evidence of the global flood.
    Oh.
    Well - if the "most powerful evidence of the global flood" doesn't show that a flood happened - I suppose we now all know that the flood never happened.

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    Message 1897 of 2370 (879995)
    07-27-2020 2:07 PM
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    07-27-2020 1:38 PM


    quote:
    Juvenissun writes:
    The earth has the largest amount of ocean water in the solar system.
    I don't know about that.
    It’s likely untrue Extraterrestrial Liquid Water
    It is estimated that the outer crust of solid ice is approximately 10—30 km (6—19 mi) thick, including a ductile "warm ice" layer, which could mean that the liquid ocean underneath may be about 100 km (60 mi) deep.[17] This leads to a volume of Europa's oceans of 3 10^18 m3, slightly more than two times the volume of Earth's oceans.

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    Message 1898 of 2370 (880017)
    07-27-2020 9:11 PM
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    07-27-2020 2:07 PM


    Ice does not make flood. Water does.

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    Message 1899 of 2370 (880018)
    07-27-2020 9:17 PM
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    07-27-2020 8:04 AM


    Flood needs water. The earth has a lot of seawater. This satisfies the first requirement.
    Of course, there are other requirements. But, in the solar system, the earth is the only place allows a global flood.
    Admit that first. This eliminates the statement: the global flood is impossible.

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    Message 1900 of 2370 (880021)
    07-28-2020 12:19 AM
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    07-27-2020 9:11 PM


    quote:
    Ice does not make flood. Water does.
    So? The ice isn’t counted. Europa likely has twice as much liquid water as Earth.

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    Message 1901 of 2370 (880022)
    07-28-2020 2:51 AM
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    07-27-2020 9:17 PM


    Juvennisun writes:
    Flood needs water. The earth has a lot of seawater. This satisfies the first requirement.
    The water here isn't enough to cover the earth to a level above the mountains. I definitely would have noticed.
    Of course, there are other requirements. But, in the solar system, the earth is the only place allows a global flood.
    I'm still not sure about that but it does seem totally irrelevant. I haven't heard anyone claim that the flood was on another planet, not here.
    Admit that first. This eliminates the statement: the global flood is impossible.
    I'm afraid it doesn't. Some water doesn't equal enough water.

    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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    Message 1902 of 2370 (880024)
    07-28-2020 7:25 AM
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    07-28-2020 12:19 AM


    In fact, Europa is a model for the global flood happened once on the earth.

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    Message 1903 of 2370 (880026)
    07-28-2020 7:30 AM
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    07-28-2020 7:25 AM


    quote:
    In fact, Europa is a model for the global flood happened once on the earth.
    What an interesting assertion. So Earth had about 30x as much liquid water as it does now (Europa has ~6% Of Earth’s surface area) and a thick layer of ice on top of that.
    Please let me know what evidence you have for these claims,

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    Message 1904 of 2370 (880027)
    07-28-2020 7:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 1901 by Tangle
    07-28-2020 2:51 AM


    OK, the second consideration is the land, in particular, the land relief (relative elevation).
    This is a more complicate story. It should go from the beginning.
    The earth has a unique thing called "continent". The current geological model says, the amount of continent increases gradually from minimum to the current 30%.
    Do you recognize that?
    (An eye-opening appetite: consider the relative rate of seawater increase vs continental mass increase, does that ring a bell of the possible global flood?)

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    Message 1905 of 2370 (880028)
    07-28-2020 7:37 AM


    help
    How do I reply with quote?
    Thanks.

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