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Sarah Bellum
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Message 56 of 271 (879917)
07-25-2020 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Hyroglyphx
07-24-2020 6:02 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
The advantage is usually with the incumbent. In fact, voters very rarely vote in a President of one party, then switch to a President of another party, then switch back to the original party after only four years.
For example, George H. W. Bush doesn't really count, because he was the last 4 years of a 12 year stretch where one party held the White House.
Carter doesn't count either, because he was in the weird circumstance of running against a President who hadn't been voted in as either President or Vice President.
Just look at the intervals of party control of the White House. Every interval (except President Carter) has been at least eight years going back as far as President Grover Cleveland! (and even he eventually got 8 years in total)
Obama: 8 years
Bush: 8 years
Clinton: 8 years
Bush/Reagan: 12 years
Carter: 4 years
Ford/Nixon: 8 years
Johnson/Kennedy: 8 years
Eisenhower: 8 years
Truman/Roosevelt: 20 years
Hoover/Coolidge/Harding: 12 years
Wilson: 8 years
Taft/Roosevelt/McKinley: 16 years

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Message 57 of 271 (879918)
07-25-2020 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
07-25-2020 2:43 AM


Re: Its The Money, Stupid
Yup, as President Obama himself said, "You're likeable enough."

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 66 of 271 (880002)
07-27-2020 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by kjsimons
07-25-2020 9:35 PM


I was responding to the remark about President Obama being the worst President ever. I disagreed with that.
Here's an example of a worse President:
Lyndon Johnson oversaw the greatest failure of American domestic policy, the "Great Society" . . . cities rotting from Cabrini-Green to Pruitt-Igoe . . . long hot summers . . . Watts and LA burning . . . 101st Airborne sent to Detroit . . . The Moynihan Report . . . guns and butter . . . inflation ignited . . . chickens coming home to roost at the 1968 Democrat convention . . .
Lyndon Johnson oversaw the greatest failure of American foreign policy . . . Tonkin Gulf Resolution . . . Pleiku . . . Khe Sanh . . . The Pentagon Papers . . . Tet . . .
Lyndon Johnson was personally corrupt . . . Box 13 in Jim Wells County . . . cash in paper bags from businessmen "buying ads" on his wife's radio and TV stations . . . Bobby Baker . . . LBJ Ranch acquired on a "government salary" . . . Abe Fortas and the 1948 Senatorial primary . . .
By the way, if you're trying to convince people not to vote for President Trump, I'll give you a tip: don't call them idiots for having the temerity to disagree with you!

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 67 of 271 (880003)
07-27-2020 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by ramoss
07-26-2020 12:56 AM


All I've said is it will "will keep popping up". Do you disagree?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 68 of 271 (880004)
07-27-2020 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by ramoss
07-26-2020 1:00 AM


That, of course, is the whole point. As Sullivan put it
quote:
By Biden’s own standards, he’s guilty as charged. Reade claims Biden never got affirmative consent from her, and she feels and believes he assaulted her. He never got affirmative consent for countless handsy moves over the decades that unsettled some of the recipients of such affection. End of story. By Biden’s own logic, it is irrelevant that he didn’t mean to harm or discomfit anyone, that Reade’s story may have changed over time, that she might have mixed motives, that she has a record...

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 69 of 271 (880005)
07-27-2020 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by DrJones*
07-26-2020 1:15 AM


The impeachment was a bad tactical move, it just highlighted the possibility that there was something about the Biden family's business dealings that they didn't want publicized.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 70 of 271 (880007)
07-27-2020 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by marc9000
07-26-2020 8:03 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
He boxed himself in promising to have a female VP nominee. Not that I'm against women running for office! But with all the urban unrest he will also be pressured to nominate a person of color.
That's fine, as far as it goes, but he also has the problem that he would be by far the oldest and frailest President-elect, older on inauguration day 2021 than President Reagan was when he left office!
So Mr. Biden has to pick a running mate with experience and connections to step into his place if he should follow in Yuri Andropov's footsteps.
The selection of a running mate is said to be the first big decision of any (would-be) Presidency. There's a strong possibility that he's made a good decision impossible to make.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 72 of 271 (880010)
07-27-2020 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by vimesey
07-27-2020 5:50 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
But could Mr. Biden shoot that amoeba on 5th Avenue and not lose voters?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 74 of 271 (880016)
07-27-2020 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by DrJones*
07-27-2020 7:44 PM


I suppose we'll have to see how the voters decide on the various scandals...

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 77 of 271 (880045)
07-28-2020 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by ringo
07-28-2020 9:09 AM


I'm sure there is no shortage of idiots considering voting for either Joe Biden or Donald Trump (or Howie Hawkins or Jo Jorgensen or Andrew Yang for that matter).
But if your aim is to persuade me, then you're going about it the wrong way, digressing into the Clintonesque ("basket of deplorables") or Obaman (bitter clingers) style. People tend to react negatively to that: if his supporters are such lowlives, what does that say about the candidate!
On the other hand, if your goal really is just being insulting then you need to work on more clever phrasing (consult Christopher Hitchens' God is not Great for some particularly juicy rhetoric).
Have a nice day!

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 80 of 271 (880052)
07-28-2020 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
07-28-2020 12:19 PM


Indeed? Well, the more people like you, the more likely Trump is to be re-elected, no?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 81 of 271 (880054)
07-28-2020 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Hyroglyphx
07-28-2020 1:23 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Well, there's always weird possibilities in the presidential sweepstakes.
Think of this, in, say, 1998, most of the people eventually to be elected President or even running for President in the next couple of decades would have been dismissed as obscure or fringe. Joe Biden fit right in with the extremely obscure Democrat mainstream, pro-Defense of Marriage, anti-Busing, political hackery.
But now . . . the days of seriousness, of Roosevelt, of Eisenhower, of Johnson (dreadful, but at least serious!), of Reagan, are far in the past, so who knows what may happen in November?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 84 of 271 (880066)
07-28-2020 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ringo
07-28-2020 5:12 PM


Carried to 100% that would indeed be true. But that's not what I said, of course.
I was referring to the marginal case where increasing the number of people with your emphasis on repelling possible Biden voters rather than attracting them might just decrease the number of Biden voters so much that the net result would be a loss of voters for Mr. Biden.
Don't get me wrong, I can read the opinion polls and can see that Biden, four months out, is leading. And if he does win, it certainly appears he'll be a better President than any Democrat in my lifetime.
But you're wasting all these opportunities to persuade me, rather than confirm the depressing image of current Biden supporters.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 85 of 271 (880067)
07-28-2020 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by ringo
07-28-2020 7:19 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Oh indeed, and I am glad that he has changed his positions as he scented the direction of the wind. But he still has to run on his record in addition to his promises.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 88 of 271 (880148)
07-30-2020 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by ringo
07-29-2020 12:27 PM


You said
quote:
If everybody was like me, Trump wouldn't get a single vote.
and I agree that's true.
But I was talking about having more people like you, rather than having everyone like you (a rather unlikely case).
Let me break it down for you with a simple case. Suppose there were one more person like you. That would be one more vote for Vice President Biden. But if, as seems likely, that one more person were to "debate" in your style it might just persuade more than one voter to switch their vote to President Trump.
Remember, President Trump is in the White House because he persuaded quite a few people who voted for President Obama to vote for him instead of Hillary Clinton. Vice President Biden has to perform a similar task if he wishes an inauguration as a belated seventy-eighth birthday present.

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