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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Juvenissum writes: The earth has a unique thing called "continent". The current geological model says, the amount of continent increases gradually from minimum to the current 30%. Does it indeed. Can I have a source for that please? Just while you're finding that, are we working on the same time scales? Noah's Flood was about 4,500 years ago? How old do you think the earth is?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Does it indeed. Can I have a source for that please? Just while you're finding that, are we working on the same time scales? Noah's Flood was about 4,500 years ago? Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation".No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now. I am only talking about the possibility of having the global flood. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Juvenissun writes: Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation". No thanks, it's up to you to make your case. Just explain to us why you think 'continental aggregation' can show that a global flood happened.
No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now. Then you have me more than usually confused. When was the global flood that we're talking about? Generally it's supposed to be about 4,500 years ago
quote: When Did Noah's Flood Happen? | The Institute for Creation ResearchJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Juvenissun writes: Look up geologic term: "continental aggregation". No thanks, it's up to you to make your case. Just explain to us why you think 'continental aggregation' can show that a global flood happened. No. Excellent point. We are not talking about the time scale of Noah as we know it now.Then you have me more than usually confused. When was the global flood that we're talking about? Generally it's supposed to be about 4,500 years ago Noah's Flood is a BIG issue. It includes several major issues and many minor issue. The whole story is closely related to the whole Christian doctrine. So, the exploration HAS TO be restricted to one major (or even minor issue at a time). That is why most (if not all) talks about Noah's Flood are a total confusion. Do not ask about time, only talk about the possibility and mechanism of the global flood. People usually abandon this discussion even it is very focused. First, we must agree that a global flood is possible. This is the seawater problem.Then, we must see how to make it possible. This is the land problem. Continental Aggregation: A tectonic process through which a continent on the earth becomes larger and larger. If you want to know more, then ask specific question. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Juvenissun writes: Noah's Flood is a BIG issue. Only to a few fundamental Christians. Other Christians regard it as a myth and non-Christians have never heard of it.
It includes several major issues and many minor issue. The whole story is closely related to the whole Christian doctrine. So, the exploration HAS TO be restricted to one major (or even minor issue at a time). That is why most (if not all) talks about Noah's Flood are a total confusion. It really isn't very complicated at all, either a global flood occurred or it didn't. If you think it did, then I'm sure you have the evidence to prove it. So give it your best shot.
Do not ask about time, only talk about the possibility and mechanism of the global flood. People usually abandon this discussion even it is very focused. Ok, so you can't say when this flood was. That's a bad start. Are you disputing the normal dates of about 4,500 years ago? It does matter.
First, we must agree that a global flood is possible. Many things are possible. Personally I don't think a global flood is one of them, but I'm listening if you can prove it.
This is the seawater problem. Then, we must see how to make it possible. This is the land problem. There are a lot of problems. I think your biggest one is providing the evidence of a global flood at all.
Continental Aggregation: A tectonic process through which a continent on the earth becomes larger and larger. If you want to know more, then ask specific question. You have to show how this is relevant. This is a process that occurs over hundreds of millions of years so you see why it's important for you to say whether you agree with the 'normal' timings for this flood or not.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
A tectonic process through which a continent on the earth becomes larger and larger.
How does subduction figure in to that? My understanding is that continents - and tectonic plates in general - are growing on one side and shrinking (subducting) on the other, leaving their size roughly constant."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
The continents hadn't fully formed and, as I vaguely recall, the tectonics hadn't gotten rolling. This is in the first billion years or 2 but all of this is from memory which is worth just as much as you think it is .
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Pollux Member Posts: 303 Joined: |
As an oceanic plate subducts by a continent, it can be carrying bits of land such as islands or a bit of larger land that it rams against the continent.
A great example of that is India plowing into Asia to increase the latter's size. Part of China used to be adjacent to eastern Australia. A lot changes over a couple of billion years. The actual place where the plate bends to subduct can also roll back to change the size of the plate Edited by Pollux, : Spelling
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
How does subduction figure in to that? My understanding is that continents - and tectonic plates in general - are growing on one side and shrinking (subducting) on the other, leaving their size roughly constant. No. Once a piece of continent is made, it will not disappear, even it may split into smaller pieces. That is why the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time. Subduction only makes more continental mass. It is the key process of continental growth. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Pollux writes:
But Juvenissun is saying that, "the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time." Message 1916 As an oceanic plate subducts by a continent, it can be carrying bits of land such as islands or a bit of larger land that it rams against the continent.A great example of that is India plowing into Asia to increase the latter's size. My understanding is that the continents are rearranging their pieces but not changing significantly in total size. Gondwanaland was pretty much the same size as all of today`s continents, wasn`t it)"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
That's what I'm questioning. Do you have any evidence that that is happening? ... the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time. And even if it is true, I don't see what that has to do with the Flood being possible."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
That's what I'm questioning. Do you have any evidence that that is happening? And even if it is true, I don't see what that has to do with the Flood being possible. Places on continent have different apparent ages. Do you see that is an evidence? If it is true, then, would you think to flood out a smaller continent is much easier than to do the same to a much larger continent? Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1329 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
But Juvenissun is saying that, "the land (continent) on the earth becomes larger and larger through time." Message 1916 My understanding is that the continents are rearranging their pieces but not changing significantly in total size. Gondwanaland was pretty much the same size as all of today`s continents, wasn`t it) The oldest continent is measured about 4.x billion years old. Gondawanaland is about 0.3 billion years old. So, there was about 3.x billion years of time to allow the Gondawanaland to "grow" into its size. Yes, today's land IS slightly larger than that at 300 million years ago. Do you live in the US? The North America continent became a slightly larger in the recent few millions of years. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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