quote:To the extent to which the Portland Police Bureau or Seattle Police Department is shackled by mayors and a City Council playing to the crowd, at what point should order be restored? How many liberally-owned or black-owned businesses have been senselessly destroyed because its opportunism at its finest? A legitimate outrage has spilled over into blind rage and indiscriminate violence and if you don't cut it off at the knees it emboldens morons to not only continue the cycle of violence but to ratchet it up.
None of which excuses the police brutality against those who were not rioting.
quote:You're also not taking into consideration that the federal government did nothing for two months waiting for the violence to die down but never did. Night after night after night the looting, the rioting, the violence continued in places like Portland and Seattle. So this should just go on indefinitely?
They don’t seem to have helped much.
quote:Yeah, and the actual peaceful protesters are getting tired of people seizing this moment to sow as much chaos and disorder as possible.
In other words you are going to ignore all the reports of peaceful protestors getting tear gassed.
You know, covering up the problems never leads to a solution.
he changed his position and has done more for life than any us president in history double yikes for taking an old soundbite
This lifelong Democrat changed his mind to win over dumbass Christian voters who think he's actually a Christian
Its a political ploy, lad. Its an expedient towards getting elected. He's pandering to his voting base. If Trump knocked up one of his mistresses he would 100% be all for abortion.
By their fruits you will recognize them... kind of telling that you can't. Trump has only one god -- mammon.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
If Trump knocked up one of his mistresses he would 100% be all for abortion.
exactly, do you really think alleged big time playboy donald trump hasn't paid for an abortion? or rather had a fixer pay for it and then stiff him.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
Is it? In every case? There isn’t one where the police - or federal officers - didn’t attack people who were clearly peaceful?
Whether any of it is true, does it invalidate the need for social order? Your argument seems to be that if 100 people are throwing molotov cocktails and 100 people aren't but are standing in proximity of those that are, that if police use any force that is indiscriminate in nature (tear gas) that the police are somehow bad. Fair enough, as long as you take into consideration a few realities.
Imagine what an undulating sea of bodies in a cacophany of noise looks and sounds like and what it must be like trying to distinguish between threat versus non-threat. You don't know what its like unless you have had the displeasure of dealing with it day after day and experiencing it. The distinction between somebody making a sudden and wild movements within striking distance of you while frothing at the mouth but does not make contact versus that exact same visage that does attack you is measured in centimeters.
Oh, but is Paul able to distinguish between 100 officers who used force versus another 100 officers that didn't? No, because Paul now has the impetus to lump them all together as a mass of violence. They no longer have agency or individuality. They are all stormtroopers to Paul.
At this point I think its fair to ask what has been said today that hasn't already been said for the last 50 + days? You are naive to think that the remaining body of protesters are there because of George Floyd. Spoiler alert: They aren't. The only remaining protesters at this point are the ones seeking to completely transform Western Civilization through an endless stream of complaints -- complaints that, mind you, will never be ameliorated because the objective isn't to resolve the complaint. No, the complaint itself is the objective. To have an endless stream of complaints for imagined or self-imposed problems.... That's the fucking goal, Paul. And the more you capitulate to an angry mob trying to appease them back into good nature the more they demand and the more they take by force.
And so here we are, Paul.... Here is the brave new world you asked for, as our respective civilizations crumble away. Behold what you have helped create in all its glory while China and Russia laugh their fucking asses off.
I’m not covering up anything.
You're excusing shitty, petulant, childish and destructive behavior and trying to pass it off as legitimate protest. What's going on in Portland, OR is not a fucking protest. Its a goddamn riot that isn't just causing minor inconveniences, its literally destroying lives. It may have begun as a protest with an honorable message... but we're passed that point now. That you don't see or don't want to see the distinction is your complicity in this cover up.
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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
And so it begins.... Trump suggests delay to 2020 US election
An obvious stall for time. He knows where he stands in the polling. I see he's already establishing an escape clause for when loses the election, citing fraud before the election has even taken place.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Trump really can't delay the election but the individual governors certainly can decide the outcome.
For example in areas when there is a Republican Governor there is a trend to eliminate polling places, particularly in areas that are predominately POC, Hispanic or Asian populations. Also to increase requirements for voting like requiring photo id but closing most of the places official photo ids can be requested. The individual states can also limit the number of machines at individual polling places or send broken ones to specific sites.
quote:Whether any of it is true, does it invalidate the need for social order?
Attacking peaceful protestors does nothing to preserve the social order.
quote:Your argument seems to be that if 100 people are throwing molotov cocktails and 100 people aren't but are standing in proximity of those that are, that if police use any force that is indiscriminate in nature (tear gas) that the police are somehow bad.
I don’t see how you can get that out of attacking people who were clearly peaceful.
quote:Oh, but is Paul able to distinguish between 100 officers who used force versus another 100 officers that didn't? No, because Paul now has the impetus to lump them all together as a mass of violence. They no longer have agency or individuality. They are all stormtroopers to Paul
And now you are just making things up.
quote:At this point I think its fair to ask what has been said today that hasn't already been said for the last 50 + days? You are naive to think that the remaining body of protesters are there because of George Floyd. Spoiler alert: They aren't. The only remaining protesters at this point are the ones seeking to completely transform Western Civilization through an endless stream of complaints -- complaints that, mind you, will never be ameliorated because the objective isn't to resolve the complaint. No, the complaint itself is the objective
Even if that is true, if the complaints are justifiable they have the right to complain and protest. But I’m hardly convinced that it is true, given the ongoing instances of police brutality.
quote:You're excusing shitty, petulant, childish and destructive behavior and trying to pass it off as legitimate protest
So you get to declare peaceful protest illegitimate and that justifies the use of violence to suppress it.
quote:What's going on in Portland, OR is not a fucking protest. Its a goddamn riot that isn't just causing minor inconveniences, its literally destroying lives. It may have begun as a protest with an honorable message... but we're passed that point now.
And we get to see who really lumps everyone on the other side together. Funny how it’s illegitimate when you pretend I’m doing it but just fine when you do it.
quote:That you don't see or don't want to see the distinction is your complicity in this cover up.
You’ve decided that they’re all guilty and deserve it - without looking at the evidence - and anyone who disagrees is covering it up.
Thanks for illustrating the problem with the police in America.
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