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Sarah Bellum
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Message 89 of 271 (880153)
07-30-2020 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by ringo
07-29-2020 12:30 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Innuendo? Before Vice President Biden was Vice President he did get involved with some other things, remember? Here's a quote from the LA Times
quote:
Biden opposed school busing for desegregation in the 1970s. He voted for a measure aimed at outlawing gay marriage in the 1990s. He was an ally of the banking and credit card industries.
He chaired the 1991 Clarence Thomas hearings that gave short shrift to the sexual harassment allegations raised by Anita Hill. He backed crime legislation that many blamed for helping fuel an explosion in prison populations. He eulogized Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.), who rose to prominence as a segregationist. He backed the Iraq war.
Many of Biden’s positions were well within the mainstream of the Democratic Party at the time he took them.
But the party is now far more sensitive to discrimination against gays, sexual harassment and racial inequality than when Biden first came to Washington.
The capital has changed, too. The Senate Biden entered as a 30-year-old in 1973 was still a bastion of bipartisan backslapping, where compromise was not a dirty word. The Democratic Party was a coalition of Southern conservatives and Northern liberals. Liberal Republicans were still a thriving political faction.
Biden’s record, even though he has reversed himself on some issues, provides ammunition to skeptics who see him as a politician of another era a beloved figure, but one whose time has come and gone.
I worry whether he is ready for the times, said Chris Schwartz, a Black Hawk County supervisor in Iowa who says Biden is not in his top five choices among the candidates but is prepared to support whoever is nominated. He has just gotten too many big issues wrong over the years.
But most Democratic voters put their top priority on beating President Trump, and Biden allies say he is the best equipped to win. Polls show Democrats are still fond of Biden and seem more willing to forgive him for his past than they ever were for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Joe Biden is carrying a 20th century voting record into a 21st century political dogfight.
Of course this article is overall quite favorable to Vice President Biden, so he may be able to persuade voters to ignore his record.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 92 of 271 (880165)
07-30-2020 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by ringo
07-30-2020 9:35 AM


You don't think writing (EvC Forum: Biden Our Time: All things Joe Biden)
quote:
They're idiots for considering Trump.
might be a bit off-putting?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 93 of 271 (880166)
07-30-2020 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by ringo
07-30-2020 9:44 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
So your argument is that Vice President Biden said a bunch of stuff in the past but now he's changed his mind and will do something different and that's why we should vote for him?
You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking."
Wouldn't you?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 104 of 271 (880237)
07-31-2020 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by ringo
07-30-2020 10:09 AM


On the other hand, of course, going up to someone like, say, Representative Jerry Nadler, and saying, "Hey, you're fat!" (even though I suspect he knows he is) would indeed be insulting, and wouldn't help to persuade him to your point of view.
I do like the "probably" in your post, though. Does that mean you think I might vote for Vice President Biden, but you think yourself incapable of persuading me, so you stick to nice, comfortable insults?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 105 of 271 (880239)
07-31-2020 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by ringo
07-30-2020 10:14 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sigh.
The last few elections haven't been very inspiring, have they? With the dominant slogan of, "Vote for Schmuck B, just because she (or he) isn't Schmuck A."

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 106 of 271 (880241)
07-31-2020 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
07-30-2020 10:21 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
This does disturb me, though. My own outlook is very much the "secular humanist, atheist." I've pretty much ignored the protestations of faith from the various Presidential candidates because I knew they were purely ceremonial, no more to be taken seriously an invocation at the opening of Congress or, "God Save The United States and This Honorable Court" at the start of a Supreme Court session.
But I worry because sometimes these protestations of faith cause politicians to make decisions that cause real damage, like when then-Senator Joe Biden voted for the Defense of Marriage Act.
Thank you (Reagan appointee) Justice Kennedy for Obergefell v. Hodges by the way.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 109 of 271 (880261)
07-31-2020 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
07-31-2020 12:30 PM


Would it inspire you to work harder at political persuasion if you considered this fact:
The Democrat hope is a man who has survived two brain aneurysms and sexual assault allegations, a straight white male who has opposed marriage equality and supported segregation, a man whose treatment of Anita Hill when he was Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee he was forced to apologize for belatedly, a man who will, if he is inaugurated, be older than President Reagan was on the day he left office on inauguration day.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 111 of 271 (880265)
07-31-2020 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by ringo
07-31-2020 12:39 PM


I'm curious. Would you prefer that I vote for President Trump just so, assuming he is defeated as the opinion polls appear to show is likely (just like the polls in 2016 showed), you can gloat?
Or would you prefer that I vote for Vice President Biden because you think he is the better option?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 113 of 271 (880268)
07-31-2020 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by ringo
07-31-2020 12:32 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
They were indeed. An indication of the American will to put the "bitter" legacy of racial strife and tribalism of the "deplorables" in the past, moving on build a glorious future of harmony in the years of his administration and that we are experiencing even now.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 114 of 271 (880269)
07-31-2020 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by ringo
07-31-2020 12:51 PM


You could prefer to try to persuade me, possibly moving me off the fence. Remember, so many recent elections were decided by such a tiny margin of votes that even persuading one voter could have a surprising effect.
I often think if the Gore campaign's operatives had taken a little less vituperative tone in Florida it might have made a great deal of difference to 21st century world history.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 116 of 271 (880301)
08-01-2020 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by ringo
08-01-2020 8:52 AM


If the polling were to show 37% for Trump and 49% against and the remainder undecided Bloomberg - Are you a robot? then in your opinion (combining Trump voters and undecideds) fifty-one percent of the US population are idiots!
I may vote for Vice President Biden in November, but if I thought he had your attitude towards Americans I certainly wouldn't. I don't think he does, but that remark about Black voters who might dare to vote against him ("You ain't Black!") does give me pause.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 118 of 271 (880326)
08-02-2020 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by ringo
08-01-2020 12:22 PM


More insults? And not even your own insults but copied from someone else? A not-so-subtle whiff of the Biden campaign!
Oh, well: "A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head."
Benjamin Disraeli
Did that quote convince you to change your mind? Thought not.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 120 of 271 (880330)
08-02-2020 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
08-02-2020 9:07 AM


Do you really believe that if you're at some social gathering and in your conversation you make a point of mentioning to someone that they are fat, they would have no reason to take offense?

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Message 125 of 271 (880378)
08-04-2020 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by ramoss
08-03-2020 10:29 PM


I suppose there are lies coming from all parts of the political spectrum. Just as it always has been in politics. Don't you agree?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 127 of 271 (880390)
08-04-2020 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by dwise1
08-04-2020 1:02 PM


The mark of the true party loyalist: our folks lie, but less than their folks!

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