Police Shootings

Millions and millions and millions of police interactions annually. There's actually never been less police corruption than now because of the amount of oversight and the advent of the cellphone. That might be the biggest irony of it all. I'm asking specific to Chauvin. There was an awful case, the Kelly Thomas case, which will make your stomach churn. Considering the heinous nature of the murder (no other way to describe it) it got so little attention. Kelly Thomas was white and killed by white officers. My point is, Chauvin may have been motivated by race and maybe he wasn't. I think it really detracts from the point to inject speculation into it. What we know is that Chauvin did something odious and he should pay for it. Is it? Or is it the truth? You think CNN gives a flying fuck about George Floyd? George Floyd is ratings on steroids. CNN has all the impetus in the world to paint everything in divisive terms... Pure rage bait... and they've got you hook, line and sinker. Its a fact that you're not willing to accept. Little white suburban kids who have been pumped full of Marxist ideology for years are using BLM as a platform. They speak on behalf of black people when not asked to, they control the conversation when not asked to, and use it to sow as much discord as possible. Since you believe that media coverage is the only metric for knowing what's happening in the world, probably because you're so geographically disconnected from it, here you go: Page gone - MSN What's Antifa and its role in Black Lives Matter protests?Officials see extremist groups, disinformation in protests | AP NewsBlack Organizers ‘Enraged’ by White Agitators ‘Here to F*ck Shit Up’ in George Floyd ProtestsAntifa, Other Far-Left Groups Exploit Protests for ‘Revolution’https://www.mirror.co.uk/...protests-hijacked-white-22116897

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That's why checks and balances need to remain in place. There are definitely still some good 'ole boy agencies in the backwoods of America and I'm sure to a lesser extent in Canada. Of this, I have no doubt. Most agencies though have enormous incentive to root out shitty officers. Shitty officers erode public trust and they're horribly expensive in the form of lawsuits.I think of LAPD who has had so much negative publicity over the years.... The Watts riots, Rampart scandal, Rodney King, the OJ verdict, etc... LAPD has cleaned up a lot since those days. They're actually one of the finest law enforcement agencies around, but their past sins have had irreparable damage to their public image -- so much so that even the acronym insinuates corruption.For them to come back from such a deficit in the public eye takes decades -- multiple decades. So there is a ton of incentive to be upright, square dealing, and to demand extremely high standards. That's what they've now done. And if you don't toe the line they will personally incarcerate you for dishonoring their name and for dishonoring the profession.You also have to understand the resentment that all police officers have for Derek Chauvin. His deplorable actions didn't just effect him, though I hope he rots in shame for the rest of his miserable life. He single-handedly put a target on every cops back. Do you really believe that most agencies would want a Derek Chauvin on their team? Equally, do you truly believe that most or even many cops see parity with him or defend him?

Are the police doctors? Can they confirm with certainty that he is paralyzed? Is it possible to suffer temporary paralysis to later regain total or partial function? Yes. Is it possible to feign paralysis to escape? Yes, it is.There was a prisoner a few years ago who was in custody at the Travis County Jail who threw himself down some stairs and faked as if he was paralyzed. Fooled everyone. The jail nurses, doctors, deputies.... Once at the hospital the deputy broke protocol, which is to use leg shackles and handcuff the prisoner to the gurney. The deputy, thinking what's the difference he's paralyzed, did neither of those things. The prisoner then leapt up from the bed and sprinted out of the hospital because, surprise, surprise, he feigned paralysis to make his getaway. He planned this all in advance. He made it all the way to Houston before being re-apprehended. Why? Well, this particular prisoner was facing 5-99 years for a series of violent felonies.He has since been convicted.As to Jacob Blake.... he was in police custody for molesting a teenage girl and resisting arrest. I guarantee there is policy in place requiring the officers to handcuff any prisoner to a gurney and the only reason they come off is for surgery and/or MRI's. Hospitals are also filled with deadly objects that can be secreted and used, whether paralyzed or not.So, tell me, what is so odious about handcuffing Jacob Blake that it requires your incredulous post?

Accusing me of the very thing that you are doing. Percy, the video has been released. Beyond a shadow of a doubt the police are justified. Marquez clearly pulls out what she wanted the officers to believe was a gun in protest of being placed under an emergency detention order for her own safety. The officers even retreated all the way downstairs in an effort to de-escalate the situation. Marquez then deliberately follows them and points the weapon.You read an article and, as usual, made a rush to judgement and deliberated that the police must have just executed poor 'ole Marquez for no good reason whatsoever, to which I replied that I am going to reserve judgement until the facts of the case materialize. Those facts then come out, with VIDEOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, contradicting your assertions, and instead of conceding you dig your heels in deeper which just makes you look petulant and unreasonable.How can we have honest discussions when you can't even admit when you are wrong? How many concessions have I made over the years? Have some integrity, please.

Believe it or not you can be shot and not be paralyzed. As I said, they aren't doctors and can't know whether or not somebody, who is in custody by the way, is or is not paralyzed. What exactly are you taking exception to when it comes to handcuffing a prisoner to a gurney?Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Lets suppose Blake wasn't paralyzed and grabs an object inside the room and again attacks the officers. Then they have to use additional force. And then people like you would piss and moan about how this wouldn't have happened if only those irresponsible keystone cops had handcuffed him! You can't win against people who are only motivated with driving a narrative; damn the facts.Answer the question: What is so odious about handcuffing a prisoner to a gurney, whether he is paralyzed or not? Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

The people responding to lethal force with lethal force is part of their training in addition to helping people experiencing a mental health crisis which happens thousands of times a day that goes exactly as planned -- no one injured and the people in crisis getting the help that they need. But those aren't deemed newsworthy so you never hear about it.

A couple of things to unpack.... you seem to disagree with the shooting itself so if you'd care to discuss those details I'd be more than happy to. Secondly, you still have not answered the question why it is so odious to handcuff your prisoner to a gurney, whether he is paralyzed or not. Three times is a charm... lets have, mate. Agreed. But what does that have to do with the current discussion?

I see you've gone full Woketard which means there is absolutely no hope for you. We are the absolute furthest away from a "police state" the West has ever been. Its literally the exact opposite where lawlessness and chaos rules the day. Handcuffing a prisoner in a hospital where he is being treated for his injuries is the precise balance you speak of. If a prisoner would be denied access to healthcare -- that would be outrageous. There is nothing, whatsoever, outrageous about handcuffing a prisoner. Nothing. As to your plaintiff cries about innocence until proven guilty, as if to insinuate that the police only deal with malicious intent, do try to remember how the law functions.Jacob Blake is being held on PROBABLE CAUSE; his guilt or innocence has yet to be determined. A judge signed a warrant for his arrest, which is an order from a judge who found probable cause. Without probable cause there is no starting point to convict or exonerate anyone for any crime. You literally explained nothing whatsoever about how appalling it is to handcuff Jacob Blake to a gurney. "Not a nice thing to do." Interesting. Your metric is completely fucked! Was it nice to fight the police while defending a victim -- a victim who is a minor -- a minor victim who is female -- a minor victim who is a black female? Was it nice to have stolen his ex-girlfriend's car, which was why the police were there to begin with? Was it nice to have finger blasted a little fucking girl? All that is "nice" but handcuffing him is "not nice." Handcuffing, Vimesey.... Where is your balance? Where is your perspective?You are not a rational person. You are gulping the Kool-Aid by the gallon, not merely drinking it. You're gonna get the society you've asked for... but we'll see if you want what you are going to get in the long run.All you see is white cops, black man, shot.... Those are the only informed facts you are operating from and from that, alone, you and all the other mindless cultists make wild, leaping assumptions.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHSVjmO4iJY&t=107sEdited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

What people seem to forget is that an entire exchange occurred that was not recorded by cellphone. Police were called because Blake was reportedly at the residence of a minor he was alleged to have sexually assaulted. The police show up. They run a check on the name and he has a warrant for his arrest for molesting a minor. That's an order from a judge. Police have ZERO discretion when it comes to a felony warrant. He also has an emergency protective order (EPO) placed against him by the alleged victim.So they tell him he is under arrest for the warrant and violating the conditions of the EPO. Jacob Blake fights the police. He is wrestled to the ground but gets up. They attempted to Taze him with no effect. They then draw down on him with guns as he is now disregarding the orders to stay away from the vehicle. One of the cops even grabs his shirt to try to get him away from the vehicle.I don't know about you, but it looks like they put in a lot of effort NOT to shoot him. Oh, but heavens no could we ever dare to place even a little bit of blame on the Jacob Blake. That would totally go against his martyrdom.Jacob then dives into the vehicle head first, as if to lunge for something inside the car. Nobody getting into their vehicle to drive dives head first. They fire at him. And if you can't understand why, this is why:Embed function not working.... ***Warning - Video of Homicide***https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSa2EomQAbA&bpctr=1600964539http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUnT5aFygg&bpctr=1600964597to the incredulousness of being shot 7 times, as opposed to 1 time, or however many times that seem reasonable to people who know nothing about ballistics, you fire until the threat stops. Why? Because unlike how it is depicted in the movies with people flying in the air, real people getting shot don't behave like that. People who are shot are quite capable of still fighting and quite capable of still killing the officerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT0KcenH_eQ&bpctr=1600963312 Its protocol; its policy. The officer's don't have a choice. I can't tell you how many times a suspect is taken to the hospital after a response to resistance. The suspect seems a lot calmer and is sleeping much of the time. The officer then uncuffs him thinking he won't be a threat any more. The longer the suspect sits there the more he thinks about spending hours, days, weeks, or months behind bars. So he tries to flee and a secondary response to resistance occurs.... Guess whose fault that is? The fucking cops fault! Because he was irresponsible. His actions directly contributed to the suspect again being needlessly injured and he potentially jeopardized his own safety and that of hospital staff and patients.What great travesty is it that Jacob Blake is simply handcuffed to the gurney? Oh, but the stakes are a lot higher if he is uncuffed, aren't they? Yeah.... that's why it is NOT unreasonable to handcuff a prisoner.Facts. Logic. Reality. These are anathema to todays little woke warriors who use things like this to deconstruct society. They could give a fuck about Jacob Blake. Jacob Blake is a figurehead to usher in the revolution. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Or it helps keep things in perspective.

Typical dishonest presentation. Police don’t need a firearm to do any portion of their job.... except to protect themselves and others. But, hey, you already know that which is why you have to resort to framing issues dishonestly

This is how the justice system works in your country, my country, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, France, hell, just about everywhere in the world. How can a person stand trial for an alleged crime if they are on the lam?Do you understand the concept that being held on probable cause does NOT constitute guilt or innocence?He had a warrant for his arrest, he fought the police and it was his own actions that got him shot after failing to do the very things that would have prevented him from being shot. Sounds to me like Jacob Blake is the author of his own problems. You really want to argue the point??? No, of course not, because facts get in the way of your activist mentality.For however much you insinuate my belief in his guilt are you therefore insisting the same for his innocence? For however much you insinuate my lack of objectivity do you level the same to yourself in the inverse?He had a warrant for his arrest. Fact. He fought the police. Fact. Did he sexually assault a minor? Perhaps so, perhaps not. But then this is how the law works, doesn't it? He's going to go before his accuser.

As I said, a dishonest presentation and an oversimplification of reality. The police carry weapons because, gee golly gosh, people fight and try to kill them an awful lot. They have them on them as a just in case... but your just in case is apparently just die. Crazy people sometimes act crazy.... I know, that is itself a crazy concept lost on you. Its so impressive how you hand waive away the actions of the people who get shot by the police and place all the blame on an inanimate object. No, actually sending police without guns is more like sending firefighters to an inferno without water hoses.

Tu Quoque, Ringo... Police deal with mental health issues all the time - with guns.So what exactly are you looking for?1. When police interact on mental health issues that they disarm.
2. That police not interact with mental health calls at all but still remained armed.
3. That police ought not be armed whatsoever but can still interact on mental health calls.
4. That police ought not to be armed whatsoever and also cannot interact on mental health calls.An explanation as to your rationale would be helpful for whichever number you chooseEdited by Hyroglyphx, : Edit to add