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Hyroglyphx
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Message 526 of 531 (880051)
07-28-2020 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Percy
06-27-2020 3:43 PM


Re: Protests
It's not a "bad apple" problem but a systemic problem.

Millions and millions and millions of police interactions annually. There's actually never been less police corruption than now because of the amount of oversight and the advent of the cellphone. That might be the biggest irony of it all.

A much higher percentage of blacks get police attention or arrested. How much of that bump do you think represents racism?

I'm asking specific to Chauvin. There was an awful case, the Kelly Thomas case, which will make your stomach churn. Considering the heinous nature of the murder (no other way to describe it) it got so little attention. Kelly Thomas was white and killed by white officers. My point is, Chauvin may have been motivated by race and maybe he wasn't. I think it really detracts from the point to inject speculation into it. What we know is that Chauvin did something odious and he should pay for it.

This is just typical racist white grievance crap.

Is it? Or is it the truth? You think CNN gives a flying fuck about George Floyd? George Floyd is ratings on steroids. CNN has all the impetus in the world to paint everything in divisive terms... Pure rage bait... and they've got you hook, line and sinker.

Your mere mention of ANTIFA ("BLM are also rejecting ANTIFA") gives away exactly where you're coming from. Trumpublicans just march out the ANTIFA bogeyman whenever they want to falsely tar some one or some group.

Its a fact that you're not willing to accept. Little white suburban kids who have been pumped full of Marxist ideology for years are using BLM as a platform. They speak on behalf of black people when not asked to, they control the conversation when not asked to, and use it to sow as much discord as possible.

Do you have any actual evidence of this? Calling your account into question are articles like Federal Arrests Show No Sign That Antifa Plotted Protests and False stories about "paid protesters" spike — again — in effort to delegitimize Black Lives Matter protests.

Since you believe that media coverage is the only metric for knowing what's happening in the world, probably because you're so geographically disconnected from it, here you go:

Antifa and anarchists have hijacked Floyd protests but left won't admit it

What's Antifa and its role in Black Lives Matter protests?

Officials see extremist groups, disinformation in protests

Black Organizers Enraged by White Agitators ‘Here to F*ck Shit Up’

Antifa, Other Far-Left Groups Exploit Protests for ‘Revolution’

George Floyd protests across US hijacked by white provocateurs to start riots


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Message 527 of 531 (880063)
07-28-2020 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by Hyroglyphx
07-28-2020 1:46 PM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:

There's actually never been less police corruption than now because of the amount of oversight and the advent of the cellphone.


There aren't as many stagecoach robberies as there used to be either.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 528 of 531 (880119)
07-29-2020 7:11 PM
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07-28-2020 7:26 PM


Re: Protests
There aren't as many stagecoach robberies as there used to be either.

Meaning?


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ringo
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Message 529 of 531 (880162)
07-30-2020 9:55 AM
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07-29-2020 7:11 PM


Re: Protests
Meaning... if there were stagecoaches, there would be stagecoach robberies. If cops could get away with corruption, there would be corruption.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 530 of 531 (880172)
07-30-2020 10:23 AM
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07-30-2020 9:55 AM


Re: Protests
Meaning... if there were stagecoaches, there would be stagecoach robberies. If cops could get away with corruption, there would be corruption.

That's why checks and balances need to remain in place. There are definitely still some good 'ole boy agencies in the backwoods of America and I'm sure to a lesser extent in Canada. Of this, I have no doubt. Most agencies though have enormous incentive to root out shitty officers. Shitty officers erode public trust and they're horribly expensive in the form of lawsuits.

I think of LAPD who has had so much negative publicity over the years.... The Watts riots, Rampart scandal, Rodney King, the OJ verdict, etc... LAPD has cleaned up a lot since those days. They're actually one of the finest law enforcement agencies around, but their past sins have had irreparable damage to their public image -- so much so that even the acronym insinuates corruption.

For them to come back from such a deficit in the public eye takes decades -- multiple decades. So there is a ton of incentive to be upright, square dealing, and to demand extremely high standards. That's what they've now done. And if you don't toe the line they will personally incarcerate you for dishonoring their name and for dishonoring the profession.

You also have to understand the resentment that all police officers have for Derek Chauvin. His deplorable actions didn't just effect him, though I hope he rots in shame for the rest of his miserable life. He single-handedly put a target on every cops back. Do you really believe that most agencies would want a Derek Chauvin on their team? Equally, do you truly believe that most or even many cops see parity with him or defend him?


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ringo
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Message 531 of 531 (880175)
07-30-2020 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 530 by Hyroglyphx
07-30-2020 10:23 AM


Re: Protests
Hyroglyphx writes:

There are definitely still some good 'ole boy agencies in the backwoods of America and I'm sure to a lesser extent in Canada.


We don't have "good 'ole boy" agencies to the extent that you do in the states but the RCMP are still being dragged kicking and screaming into the twentieth century. Racism and sexism are pretty rampant.

Hyroglyphx writes:

Most agencies though have enormous incentive to root out shitty officers.


When I worked for the RCMP (on support staff), we had a cleaner fired for stealing. He was hauled away in handcuffs and he wasn't even allowed back on the base to pick up his car; his roommate had to get it for him. During the same period of time, three RCMP sergeants got caught stealing. They got early retirement.

Hyroglyphx writes:

Do you really believe that most agencies would want a Derek Chauvin on their team? Equally, do you truly believe that most or even many cops see parity with him or defend him?


I believe that many would defend him if they could. Many do in less extreme cases.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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