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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRrat writes:
Yes it is. It's a proposed explanation based on limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation. What did you think a hypothesis was?
ringo writes:
No it isn't. You said that it was evidence OF the flood. That is a hypothesis of sorts. riVeRraT writes:
So you admit that it is a hypothesis after all.
ringo writes:
No it doesn't. So your hypothesis fails. riVeRraT writes:
Animals seeking shelter does not in any way support the Flood myth. You might as well have said that Harvey the Hawk is evidence of Bigfoot.
Because animals seek shelter in other situations does negate that they seek shelter in a flood, or biblical flood. It is only in addition too. riVeRraT writes:
I'm not ignoring it. I'm pointing out that it's nonsense. If you choose to believe nonsense, it's on you.
If you choose to ignore it, then its on you. riVeRraT writes:
Nope, after He rose from the dead:
ringo writes:
Yep, before He died and gave us the Holt Spirit. Jesus Himself encouraged Thomas to use objective evidence.quote:Hint: the wounds weren't there until after the crucifixion. Jesus was advocating faith based on evidence: Look at the evidence and then have faith.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Indeed He didn't. Look at Matthew 5: "Blessed are the poor in spirit." Is it preferable to be poor in spirit? "Blessed are they that mourn." Is it preferable to mourn? "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake." Is it preferable to be persecuted? "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Is it preferable to be reviled, to be persecuted? Jesus talked about faith enough, that your interpretation can readily be seen as unlikely. Jesus did not make his remark out of thin air. It seems that blessings are a mixed bag. By no means does it automatically suggest "preferable". In some cases, the blessings are only a comfort for people who have nothing else. Jesus offered the evidence. He didn't say, "Accept the story by faith or go to Hell."
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I didn't say any such thing. I said it isn't at all clear that Jesus had a preference for faith over evidence. You haven't said a single thing to back up that position. If you actually believe that Jesus was not only elevating Doubting Thomas, but denigrating the others for their faith, you are welcome to hold that belief. Look at the story:
quote:He showed the evidence to the disciples. quote:It was the eyewitness testimony of the other disciples that Thomas didn't believe. quote:Jesus showed Thomas the same evidence that he had already shown the other disciples. quote:But there were none who had believed without seeing the evidence. Show us where Jesus expressed any preference for faith over evidence. I don't see any such indication in the story.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Faith represents neither the Bible nor creationism. She makes it all up as she goes along.
To her credit, she is EvC Forums lone representative of Biblical Creationism. Phat writes:
I'll throw in my answer again, though I wouldn't call it a definition per se. Evidence is evident. Everybody can see it. I am still waiting for everyone to clarify what exactly evidence is. We can all see the bullet hole in the dead body. Whether the bullet hole caused the death is another question. Faith insists that the victim was walking around with a bullet hole through his heart when he was killed by lightning, even though there is no sign of a lightning strike and there hasn't been a thunderstorm in months. riVeRraT insists that the bullet hole is evidence of the Flood.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
The "wrath" - e.g. hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. - is evident. God is not.
Some of the Pastors that I know would likely claim that since the Bible is true, God by definition through Jesus is evident. They would then probably quote Romans.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
~1.6 writes:
That's what the apologists want you to believe. But is it what the Bible says?
Silly me all this time I thought that was the whole damn point. ~1.6 writes:
Kinda like when people tell Dr. Phil that he's the only one who can help them. Kinda like when Jesus told that roman soldier that his faith has healed his son because he believed without seeing. Of course that has nothing to do with faith being "preferable".
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
What data is ever collected by creationists?
That doesn't mean real scientists can't use any data collected during creation science.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Pressie writes:
I know what Faith is trying to say: "The police say that everybody in this room is a suspect. I didn't do it; therefore I am not in this room." I also don't know what Faith is trying to say here. Every spot on earth has an actual geo/stratigraphic column. Anything that doesn't fit her scenario doesn't exist.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
edge writes:
The Bible is infallible. Therefore, anybody who claims to believe the Bible is infallible.
When did you realize that you are infallible?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
First of all, I want to make it clear that I was being ironic. I was citing the beliefs of our member Faith (who is as crazy as a sack of bedbugs), not my own.
ringo writes:
It may be true. The Bible is infallible. Therefore, anybody who claims to believe the Bible is infallible. Juvenissun writes:
If you mean it's difficult to twist the Bible into saying what you want it to say, I agree. It's not that difficult if you accept what it DOES say.
However, it is very very easy to ask question about what the Bible says. And it is usually quite difficult to give a reasonable answer. Juvenissun writes:
By all means, let's discuss the Bible - but not in this thread. This is a science thread; the Bible carries no weight here. Do you want to try one? We do have a whole section for Bible discussions. Feel free to contribute to a thread over there or start a new thread."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
It isn't about ridiculing the Bible. It's about reading the Bible honestly and with respect for what it is. If it's wrong about something, it's wrong - but we still need to accept what it actually says, not try to twist it into making sense. It is so easy to ridicule what said in the Bible, isn't it? But as I said, this is not the thread for Bible discussion."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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