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Sarah Bellum
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Message 106 of 141 (880241)
07-31-2020 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
07-30-2020 10:21 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
This does disturb me, though. My own outlook is very much the "secular humanist, atheist." I've pretty much ignored the protestations of faith from the various Presidential candidates because I knew they were purely ceremonial, no more to be taken seriously an invocation at the opening of Congress or, "God Save The United States and This Honorable Court" at the start of a Supreme Court session.

But I worry because sometimes these protestations of faith cause politicians to make decisions that cause real damage, like when then-Senator Joe Biden voted for the Defense of Marriage Act.

Thank you (Reagan appointee) Justice Kennedy for Obergefell v. Hodges by the way.


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Message 107 of 141 (880258)
07-31-2020 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Sarah Bellum
07-31-2020 10:25 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

going up to someone like, say, Representative Jerry Nadler, and saying, "Hey, you're fat!" (even though I suspect he knows he is) would indeed be insulting, and wouldn't help to persuade him to your point of view.


If he's going to judge my point of view based on whether or not I noticed he was fat, he's not the man for the job. Instead of trying to persuade him, I'd try to get rid of him.

Sarah Bellum writes:

I do like the "probably" in your post, though. Does that mean you think I might vote for Vice President Biden...


I'm not convinced that you're stupid enough to vote for Trump.

Sarah Bellum writes:

... but you think yourself incapable of persuading me...


I don't think anybody is capable of persuading you. As my father used to say about some people, "Don't confuse them with facts."

Sarah Bellum writes:

... so you stick to nice, comfortable insults?


I do try to stick to nice,comfortable insults. The truly stupid people don't understand them anyway.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 108 of 141 (880259)
07-31-2020 12:32 PM
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07-31-2020 10:28 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

The last few elections haven't been very inspiring, have they?


Obama's elections were pretty inspiring.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 109 of 141 (880261)
07-31-2020 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
07-31-2020 12:30 PM


Would it inspire you to work harder at political persuasion if you considered this fact:

The Democrat hope is a man who has survived two brain aneurysms and sexual assault allegations, a straight white male who has opposed marriage equality and supported segregation, a man whose treatment of Anita Hill when he was Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee he was forced to apologize for belatedly, a man who will, if he is inaugurated, be older than President Reagan was on the day he left office on inauguration day.


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Message 110 of 141 (880262)
07-31-2020 12:39 PM
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07-31-2020 12:37 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Would it inspire you to work harder at political persuasion....


I said I wouldn't try to persuade YOU.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 111 of 141 (880265)
07-31-2020 12:46 PM
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07-31-2020 12:39 PM


I'm curious. Would you prefer that I vote for President Trump just so, assuming he is defeated as the opinion polls appear to show is likely (just like the polls in 2016 showed), you can gloat?

Or would you prefer that I vote for Vice President Biden because you think he is the better option?


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Message 112 of 141 (880267)
07-31-2020 12:51 PM
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07-31-2020 12:46 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Would you prefer that I vote for President Trump....


My preference is irrelevant.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 113 of 141 (880268)
07-31-2020 12:56 PM
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07-31-2020 12:32 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
They were indeed. An indication of the American will to put the "bitter" legacy of racial strife and tribalism of the "deplorables" in the past, moving on build a glorious future of harmony in the years of his administration and that we are experiencing even now.

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Message 114 of 141 (880269)
07-31-2020 1:01 PM
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07-31-2020 12:51 PM


You could prefer to try to persuade me, possibly moving me off the fence. Remember, so many recent elections were decided by such a tiny margin of votes that even persuading one voter could have a surprising effect.

I often think if the Gore campaign's operatives had taken a little less vituperative tone in Florida it might have made a great deal of difference to 21st century world history.


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Message 115 of 141 (880297)
08-01-2020 8:52 AM
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07-31-2020 1:01 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

You could prefer to try to persuade me, possibly moving me off the fence.


You're making my point. I have said that I don't think you can be reasoned with. It doesn't look like you're even reading my posts.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 116 of 141 (880301)
08-01-2020 9:51 AM
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08-01-2020 8:52 AM


If the polling were to show 37% for Trump and 49% against and the remainder undecided Bloomberg - Are you a robot? then in your opinion (combining Trump voters and undecideds) fifty-one percent of the US population are idiots!

I may vote for Vice President Biden in November, but if I thought he had your attitude towards Americans I certainly wouldn't. I don't think he does, but that remark about Black voters who might dare to vote against him ("You ain't Black!") does give me pause.


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Message 117 of 141 (880308)
08-01-2020 12:22 PM
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08-01-2020 9:51 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

... in your opinion (combining Trump voters and undecideds) fifty-one percent of the US population are idiots!


quote:
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative."
-- John Stuart Mill

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 118 of 141 (880326)
08-02-2020 9:01 AM
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08-01-2020 12:22 PM


More insults? And not even your own insults but copied from someone else? A not-so-subtle whiff of the Biden campaign!

Oh, well: "A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head."
—Benjamin Disraeli

Did that quote convince you to change your mind? Thought not.


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Message 119 of 141 (880329)
08-02-2020 9:07 AM
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08-02-2020 9:01 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

And not even your own insults but copied from someone else?


Just to demonstrate that I am not alone in my assessment.

And I think I have mentioned before that a fat man doesn't really have a right to be "insulted" if somebody notices that he's fat.

Sarah Bellum writes:

"A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head."
—Benjamin Disraeli


Note that Disraeli was a Conservative.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 120 of 141 (880330)
08-02-2020 9:14 AM
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08-02-2020 9:07 AM


Do you really believe that if you're at some social gathering and in your conversation you make a point of mentioning to someone that they are fat, they would have no reason to take offense?

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