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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: If you’re going to have a human Noah, your Flood will be less than a million years ago. So that’s a problem for you. Are you really going to make Noah a habiline? An Australopithecine?
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined: |
quote:According to a "Oceanography", Paul Pinet, 1992, West publishing Company, all the seas and oceans combined contain 1.36 million km of water. Taking the Mount Everest at 8 kilometers, and the Earth radius at 6371 km, the volume of the shell, to cover the entire water is given by: V= 4/3 * Pi* (R-r) Filling in the numbers give a required volume of water of 4083570535 km. That's more than 4 billion km. So your claim that there is plenty of water to cover the earth falls short. Edit: I checked and double checked, the textbook above really says 1.3 million km. but at least two online sources say 1.3 billion kmOcean's Depth and Volume Revealed | Live Science Volumes of the World's Oceans from ETOPO1 | NCEI That is still 4 times more than there is water on earth. Edited by driewerf, : No reason given. Edited by driewerf, : No reason given.
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined: |
quote:No, you have to produce 4 billion cubic kilometer of extra water for that.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
If you’re going to have a human Noah, your Flood will be less than a million years ago. A normal human being is not likely to be 600 years old as Noah was.The situation was anything but normal.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
No, you have to produce 4 billion cubic kilometer of extra water for that. I guess you mean to flood the Himalayas?It is not needed. There was no Himalayas.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: A early hominid is likely to be even shorter-lived. As well as being considerably less intelligent than the more recent species. And let us not forget that we are all supposedly descended from Noah. Of course, Noah’s age is one of the elements that tells us we are dealing with myth, not history. So taking it as fact is a mistake.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
According to a "Oceanography", Paul Pinet, 1992, West publishing Company, all the seas and oceans combined contain 1.36 million km of water. Taking the Mount Everest at 8 kilometers, and the Earth radius at 6371 km, the volume of the shell, to cover the entire water is given by: V= 4/3 * Pi* (R-r) The earth had no land and no water on the surface. The ratio land and water accumulation on the earth is about 990:1 by weight. i.e. to have 1 kg rock (land) on the earth, the same process will only produce about 1 gm water. According to the normal cooling process of the earth, a global size flood is impossible, and we will not have an ocean of the current size.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Noah’s age is one of the elements that tells us we are dealing with myth, not history. So taking it as fact is a mistake. My whole point till now is to say: Geologically, a global flood is a strong possibility, not a myth. How to put Noah into the explanation? Since we do not understand how could human live that long, then we have to deal with the problem of TIME, not flood.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And you haven’t got to the point where it is anything like a strong possibility. Not to mention that there are other elements of the story that are scientifically problematic.
quote: This is a science thread so we can’t just assume that the age attributed to Noah is fact. We must consider other, more reasonable explanations first. I suspect that most of the old ages in Genesis are a result of confusing months with years. Almost all of them are reasonable if divided by twelve. Noah’s 600 years, then would become 50.
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined: |
quote:Of course, silly me, floodists can declare a world and natural just as it suits them. A mount Everest that stands in the way, just declare the Himalays gone.quote:I guess you mean to flood the Himalayas?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
And you haven’t got to the point where it is anything like a strong possibility. I said and you do not listen.A lot of water suddenly showed up on the surface of the earth and inundated the low-relief land. This is a nutshell of the story.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Of course, silly me, floodists can declare a world and natural just as it suits them. A mount Everest that stands in the way, just declare the Himalays gone. Nobody said the Himalayas is gone. I said it has not shown up yet. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You vaguely hint rather than say. That’s not a good way to discuss. Also, your posts are way too short and lacking in argument to build a case.
quote: Where is the evidence that it happened suddenly? Where is the evidence that it was sufficient to cover all the land? Without these you have not established it as a strong possibility And why would we conclude that this flood - if it happened - was Noah’s Flood? Indeed it would seem to more closely match the hypothetical catastrophe proposed by Gap theory.
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driewerf Junior Member Posts: 29 Joined: |
quote:As i said, floodists just build a world that suits them, detached from reality. Edited by driewerf, : No reason given. Edited by driewerf, : No reason given.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1334 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Where is the evidence that it happened suddenly? Where is the evidence that it was sufficient to cover all the land? Without these you have not established it as a strong possibility And why would we conclude that this flood - if it happened - was Noah’s Flood? Indeed it would seem to more closely match the hypothetical catastrophe proposed by Gap theory. My posts were short because there is no need to give more than what I said. If one can respond to what I said, then I will continue. Otherwise, I won't spend time to say even one word more than needed. The increase of surface water on the earth has two possible patterns: gradually, include episodic; or suddenly. When consider the processes of water generation, it is more likely the water would first accumulate underground and then suddenly released to the surface. You can reason or ask question. But it is not appropriate for you to ask evidence. Because you won't understand. For example, one major evidence is that mantle rock of the earth has various amount (but not consistent) of water content. (Do you still like to see the evidence of that? There are tons of petrological papers related to it.)
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