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ringo
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Message 121 of 271 (880331)
08-02-2020 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Sarah Bellum
08-02-2020 9:14 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Do you really believe that if you're at some social gathering and in your conversation you make a point of mentioning to someone that they are fat, they would have no reason to take offense?
Who's talking about social events?
But no, he would not have any right to be "offended" by reality - no more than he would have a right to be "offended" if somebody said that evolution is real or that the world is round.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ramoss
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Message 122 of 271 (880369)
08-03-2020 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Sarah Bellum
07-27-2020 8:31 PM


You mean the lies about Joe Biden verses the truth about Trump?

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ramoss
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Message 123 of 271 (880370)
08-03-2020 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
07-30-2020 10:21 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
You should ask them what happens if Trump loses. That scenario is looking more likely all the time.

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ramoss
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Message 124 of 271 (880371)
08-03-2020 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Trump won
07-31-2020 1:49 AM


So, instead, you will consider voting for someone who cheated on his third wife with a porn star, cheated on his first wife with his second wife, used a set up man to pay for an abortion for several mistresses and used a cancer charity to scam money out of donors to line his own pocket.
That doesn't seem very Christian to me.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 125 of 271 (880378)
08-04-2020 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by ramoss
08-03-2020 10:29 PM


I suppose there are lies coming from all parts of the political spectrum. Just as it always has been in politics. Don't you agree?

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dwise1
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Message 126 of 271 (880389)
08-04-2020 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Sarah Bellum
08-04-2020 9:40 AM


I suppose there are lies coming from all parts of the political spectrum. Just as it always has been in politics. Don't you agree?
Not really the same thing, unless you completely ignore a little matter of scale.
In the 2016 campaigns and debates, most prospective candidates and then candidates lied about a quarter of the time. Trump lied at least three-quarters of the time. IOW, Trump lied far more bigly than anybody else, which makes sense because his entire life and "business" career were based almost entirely on constant lies.
During the 2016 debates between Trump and Clinton, I caught a talk radio show (on the Sirius XM Insight channel, most of which has now moved to their Progressive channel) in which the host described having some friends over for a debate-watching party. They played a drinking game in which everybody had to take a drink whenever Trump lied. They very nearly died of alcohol poisoning.
A few of Trump's tells (in poker, a mannerism or tick that exposes your bluff):
  • "That's fake news." That means that it's true.
  • "Witchhunt" That means that he's guilty as sin.
  • He says or tweets something. That means that he's lying.
And the closer we get to the elections, the more he will open up his fire hose of lies.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 127 of 271 (880390)
08-04-2020 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by dwise1
08-04-2020 1:02 PM


The mark of the true party loyalist: our folks lie, but less than their folks!

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dwise1
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Message 128 of 271 (880398)
08-04-2020 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Sarah Bellum
08-04-2020 1:21 PM


Uh, it's an objective and demonstrated fact that Trump lies his ass off constantly. And that the GOP supports him fully in all his illegal and corrupt activities.
Let's turn the question around: who is being truthful?
Our folks face the facts, deal with the facts, and tell us the truth the majority of the time.
Their folks only do so a very small minority of the time.
Who do you want in charge during a crisis?
And I am not a party loyalist, but rather an American who would be willing to vote for whom I believe to be best for the job regardless of party. For decades, I have not seen a single Republican candidate whom I could vote for. For that matter, many life-long Republican voters now feel the same way, so it is not a question of party loyalty, but rather loyalty to the country.

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DrJones*
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Message 129 of 271 (880399)
08-04-2020 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by dwise1
08-04-2020 1:02 PM


A few of Trump's tells (in poker, a mannerism or tick that exposes your bluff):
"That's fake news." That means that it's true.
"Witchhunt" That means that he's guilty as sin.
He says or tweets something. That means that he's lying.
you forgot:
not many people know this = everybody knows this but i only just found about this basic fact.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 130 of 271 (880417)
08-05-2020 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by ramoss
08-03-2020 10:47 PM


So, instead, you will consider voting for someone who cheated on his third wife with a porn star, cheated on his first wife with his second wife, used a set up man to pay for an abortion for several mistresses and used a cancer charity to scam money out of donors to line his own pocket.
The question isn't whether or not you think Trump is a scumbag (spoiler alert: he is) the question is if you also think Joe Biden is a scumbag (spoiler alert: he is).
You can sit here and pontificate about the evils of another four years of Trump and how Joe Biden, equally a piece of shit in my estimation, is the lesser of evils or we can stop this binary nonsense that falsely insinuates that a criticism of one is de facto an endorsement for the other. They're both HORRIBLY wrong for America, albeit, in different ways... But scumbaggery nevertheless...
Why is it that if somebody makes a criticism of Biden that people automatically make a reference to Trump? Why don't you defend those criticisms on their own merits and defend why he is not a piece of shit instead of deflecting. You voting for Biden, Ramoss? Then defend a Biden presidency.... don't try to sell me on the evils of a Trump presidency; I already know what the orange buffoon is capable of.
My problem with Democrats at large is that they can't even admit that Creepy Uncle Joe is a kiddie fondler and basically has the cognition of a hamster.
That doesn't seem very Christian to me.
Me neither but, then again, Trump is not nor has he ever been a "Christian" by any measurable definition of the word. Trump is about as Christian as a televangelist...

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 131 of 271 (880444)
08-06-2020 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Hyroglyphx
08-05-2020 1:39 PM


On the other hand, considering the behaviour of prominent Christians, seeing a candidate who is so obviously only giving lip service to religion is rather refreshing.
I have to say the quality of the two major-party candidates has me looking up info on the minor parties (though the history of people like Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, George Wallace, James Weaver, etc. isn't very comforting). But any votes for them would just be a protest vote, of course.
Of course, in many states where the vote is a foregone conclusion (For example, Trump's not likely to take California, no matter how incompetent the pandemic, wildfires, etc. have proven the Democrat politicians there to be) a protest vote won't affect the final result and might signal the major parties to put on their big-girl panties and deal with it.
Edited by Sarah Bellum, : No reason given.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 132 of 271 (880448)
08-06-2020 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Sarah Bellum
08-06-2020 1:50 AM


The Lesser of Evil is still evil
On the other hand, considering the behaviour of prominent Christians, seeing a candidate who is so obviously only giving lip service to religion is rather refreshing.
How so?
I have to say the quality of the two major-party candidates has me looking up info on the minor parties (though the history of people like Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, George Wallace, James Weaver, etc. isn't very comforting). But any votes for them would just be a protest vote, of course.
I'm hedging my bets on Vermin Supreme
Of course, in many states where the vote is a foregone conclusion (For example, Trump's not likely to take California, no matter how incompetent the pandemic, wildfires, etc. have proven the Democrat politicians there to be) a protest vote won't affect the final result and might signal the major parties to put on their big-girl panties and deal with it.
California is a foregone conclusion, having been so poorly mismanaged decade after decade by Leftist imbeciles that people are fleeing in droves to escape the impending doom. What a shame. Best climate in the country and some of the best scenery and its being raped by the dumbest people in the room pretending to be the smartest in the room.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 133 of 271 (880450)
08-06-2020 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Hyroglyphx
08-05-2020 1:39 PM


Hyroglyphx writes:
... or we can stop this binary nonsense that falsely insinuates that a criticism of one is de facto an endorsement for the other.
But of course it IS a binary situation. You DO get one or the other.
And it isn't just a choice between a horrible person and an equally horrible person. It's a choice between a horrible person and a horrible person who also has a track record as an incompetent President.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 134 of 271 (880451)
08-06-2020 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Hyroglyphx
08-06-2020 7:20 AM


Re: The Lesser of Evil is still evil
You wrote
quote:
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On the other hand, considering the behaviour of prominent Christians, seeing a candidate who is so obviously only giving lip service to religion is rather refreshing.
How so?
The candidates are always egged on to profess their faith (or, in the case of President Obama, to dispel rumors about their faith) that it's nice to see a candidate who is clearly making gestures that are purely ceremonial, in the style of an invocation at the beginning of a town meeting or someone saying "Bless you!" after a sneeze.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 135 of 271 (880477)
08-06-2020 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by ringo
08-06-2020 9:30 AM


But of course it IS a binary situation. You DO get one or the other.
Because of our stupid two-party system. Most nations have multiple choices because that's the sensible thing to do.
And it isn't just a choice between a horrible person and an equally horrible person. It's a choice between a horrible person and a horrible person who also has a track record as an incompetent President.
Sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't... and sometimes it isn't. I don't want to play a cosmic game of craps on something of this magnitude, but it would go a long way if Biden would just tell us his VP pick already, as we know that is who will really be running the country.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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