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Pollux Member Posts: 303 Joined: |
Juve, if it is possible to get a clear answer from you, could you please give us a reference to this store of water in granite? Wikipedia does not mention hydrogen as a constituent of granite, let alone H2O.
Are you referring to AIG claiming a lot of water in the primary melt allowing greatly accelerated cooling of granite masses?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: None of the others ARE literally true.
quote: Well, nobody is insisting on the time frame of written history, but obviously the point of insisting that Noah must have lived at a time when there were humans and animals and trees is because the story demands it.
quote: Yes, it’s just a pretext for some bizarre fantasy you’ve made up. That isn’t a valid reason.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Science Direct On the Moon for one.
On Moon, 4.4—3.9 Ga granite clasts display dry mineral assemblages. They correspond to at least 8 discrete intrusive events. Large K/Ca enrichment and low REE abundances in granite relative to KREEP are consistent with silicate liquid immiscibility, a process observed in melt inclusions within olivine of lunar basalts and in lunar meteorites. Steep-sided domes identified by remote sensing can represent intrusive or extrusive felsic formations. quote: I doubt it.
quote: I thought you were arguing that water was released by the formation of granite. That’s not very consistent with it as a reservoir.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: That sounds like a topic. Why don’t you start one explaining why people should be ashamed of preferring science to your opinions.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
Juvenissun writes:
prove it Earth has the highest amount of granite in the solar system. Isn't the question supposed to be, "Were you there?" That's what they usually use.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Juvenissun writes: I never bother if you are a Christian or not. Then why ask?
I was and am talking to you about science. It would be really great if you would start. So far all you've said demonstrates that you know nothing of the scientific method and process. I'll give you a couple of pointers. You need to start by telling us fully what your claim about the flood is. (A critical point is when.) You then have to present your evidence for it. Evidence is not coulds and ad hoc individual rationalisations it's a series of empirical observations that build to an explanation of a whole. It needs to include ALL the available observations not a couple of random points.
So far, I only see I am trying to talk about science. Where have you said anything about science? Do you know what a granite is? Do you know it is related to the global flood? I'm going to take this at face value and accept that you really do think that you're doing science here rather than just trolling. So it's clear that you do not know what the scientific method is. If you think the fact that there is granite here on earth demonstrates a flood you have to explain fully why. Asking me if I know what granite is, is not a scientific argument for anything.
Steps of the Scientific Method I'm not asking for a PhD dissertation, I just need to know what your story actually is and the arguments and evidence supporting it. Just lay it on the table and we can pick somewhere to start. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Do YOU know how much water is stored in a kilogram of a typical granite, Juve? How easily can you, or Mother Nature, get it out of there? It is not a problem to get the water out. It is a serious problem on how to get the water in. Talking to me always widen your eyesight.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
You need to start by telling us fully what your claim about the flood is Why don't you tell me something about science?For example, what is a "flood"? Can you do that?
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
prove it That tells me the person is dumb at that moment. And it usually leaves the person in the dark.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Why don’t you start one explaining why people should be ashamed of preferring science to your opinions. Use you an example: why don't you respond something on my instruction about granite on the earth? Do you want me to repeat what I said? Be be easy on you, you may respond by a question. Can you even do that?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Juvenissun writes: Why don't you tell me something about science?For example, what is a "flood"? Can you do that? I wonder why we bother with people like you? I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I asked you politely to outline your case and showed you why it was necessary to do it, but it turns out that you are indeed yet another crackpot, fundie troll. Perhaps others here have a better developed sense of masochism; bye for now.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
On Moon, 4.4—3.9 Ga granite clasts display dry mineral assemblages. They correspond to at least 8 discrete intrusive events. Large K/Ca enrichment and low REE abundances in granite relative to KREEP are consistent with silicate liquid immiscibility, a process observed in melt inclusions within olivine of lunar basalts and in lunar meteorites. Steep-sided domes identified by remote sensing can represent intrusive or extrusive felsic formations. Thank you very much for digging this up. It seems they have the sample of the moon rock at hand. I believe it is a small piece of granite-like (they called it A-type) clast in a dominantly basaltic moon rock. In the same abstract, I clip another short paragraph for you:
The ultimate question is, therefore, not whether granite (s.l.) occurs in any given planetary body, but if sufficient volumes of granitic materials could have been produced to constitute stable continental nuclei. We do find scattered pieces of granite in Hawaiian Islands. But that is less than may be one in million proportion to basaltic rock on the islands. So basically, we say that Hawaii does NOT have granite. And that article indeed help to explain what I said that earth is the only planet/moon which has continental-size granitic mass. Some coward asked me to prove it. I will give you that honor that this abstract you digged up indeed strongly suggested that. (Also a lesson to you here: NEVER use the word "prove" in geology. Because it is not a right word in geology dictionary. Use this word in geology just showing that person is very ignorant.) Again, thank you for your searching work. I wish other people can do the similar.------------- For the water in granite, you can see this study emphasized that the granite they have is "dry". Since most granite (I-type, S-type) is "wet", so the understanding should be: when the granite was solidified (from magma), the environment should be "very wet". Igneous rock does not like to take water into the rock. The fact that granite has up to 3% of water says there were A LOT of water outside that piece of granite. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
I believe you are not able to say anything about geology. You do not even know what a flood is.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Juvenissun writes:
Why don't YOU tell US what a flood is? You do not even know what a flood is."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Juvenissun Member (Idle past 1330 days) Posts: 332 Joined: |
Why don't YOU tell US what a flood is? I rather not. You will say it is wrong because you will not understand what I would say. However, I do can argue on what you would say. It is not as easy as to look it up in a dictionary. Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.
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