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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
As some of you may know, Mel Gibson has made a new movie. It is somewhat controversial, and as of this date, I have not yet seen it. Here is what http://www.passion-movie.com/english/ has to say about it:
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST is a vivid depiction of the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ's life. As the movie is coming out this Wednesday, I want to hear from some of you who either have seen it or have read reviews...biased and otherwise. Again, as always, Truth trumps Intelligence!
Sometime around the year A.D. 30, in the Roman province of Palestine, an obscure Jewish carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth began to teach publicly and to proclaim the coming of a 'Kingdom of God.' For centuries, the Jewish people had expected the appearance of a promised deliverer known as the Messiah --a figure who would restore their ancient dignity, and free their sacred homeland from all evil and despair. In the minds of many, Jesus appeared to be this Messiah. Surrounded by a core group of twelve disciples, Jesus began to attract a massive following from among the common people of Galilee and Judea, who eventually praised him as their Messiah and King. However, Jesus also had many enemies in Jerusalem. The Sanhedrin, a governing senate composed of the leading Jewish priests and Pharisees, conspired to put Jesus to death. With the aid of Judas Iscariot, a member of Jesus' own inner circle, the Sanhedrin succeeded in arresting Jesus, handing him over to the Roman secular authorities on unsubstantiated charges of treason against Rome. Although Jesus consistently maintained that his Kingdom was a heavenly and spiritual one, the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, faced with the possibility of a riot, ordered that Jesus be taken outside the city and crucified as a common criminal.
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
I think it's antisemitic garbage, pushed by a fringe Catholic, with zero claim to historical accuracy. What do you think?
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phil Guest |
Oh, come on. At least try to act like you have your own opinions and you're not completely influenced by the media. Unless you have already seen the movie (and the chances are extremely low that you have), then how can you judge it one way or another?
Keep in mind I'm not supporting the movie here. I haven't seen it yet, so it wouldn't make sense for me to have any opinion on it one way or another. I admire Mel Gibson for perservering all this controversy to produce something so important to him, though. If it turns out The Passion IS anti-semitic, then I won't support it, but I hope that isn't the case.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Ya, I think this thread may be a bit premature.
I will be seeing this movie on Wednesday with my family. I am not a christian, but I don't hate christianity. I actually like the story, it's dramatic, philosophical, and rather epic. I think it caould make a great film if done right. I am actually hopping that the movie does endevor to be realistic and historicaly accurate. I hope it has no 'sappy' apeals to modern fundamentalist dogma, and indeed paints it as it was (or would have been if it was at all ). Anyhow... I'll post my opinions on the film after wednesday sometime.
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toff Inactive Member |
How could the movie be called historically accurate (or inaccurate)? We have virtually no historical data on what actually happened. Outside of the gospels (whose historical accuracy is questionable), there are NO records of the trial, NO records of the lead-up to it, NO records of the execution...
I expect - and believe, from what I've read - that the movie will be accurate as far as being a faithful retelling of the gospel stories; however, just how historically accurate this is, nobody knows.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
That is a bit of the point a theologian was making on CNN today. If you made a movie of what was in the gospels it would be all done in a few minutes. The rest is a combination of added stuff with no history behind it and picking and choosing from what is in the different gospels.
One thing they were worrying about was that movie goers would think that this is history. "It is as it was" - kind of thing. The Jewish representative was concerned about how the Jews were portrayed. I'll probably wait for the DVD to see it an I guess I'll have to reserve judgement until then. My daughter might be interested as she did have a short term interest in comparative religions a couple or so years ago.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
It is totaly possible to be historicaly acurate. There is plenety of data as to how things were in that region, at that time. 'Gone With the Wind' was historicaly accurate, it never happend. Dig?
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6259 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
Oh, come on. At least try to act like you have your own opinions and you're not completely influenced by the media. Unless you have already seen the movie (and the chances are extremely low that you have), then how can you judge it one way or another?
I really despise blatant ignorance. There is little about the script, Gibson, and Gibson's fringe religious beliefs that is unknown. Maybe you should learn something before embarrassing yourself, beginning with the antisemitic history and consequences of the "Christ-Killer" claim.
I admire Mel Gibson for perservering all this controversy to produce something so important to him, though.
Does this include admiration for the following?
quote:Go read something. Your naive ignorance disgusts me.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
ummm ya? So?
The same general story remains intact. It can still be told. There is nothing to stop people from doing research into ancient Isreal and paint an accurate picture as to how things would have been. Gladiator never happend, it was a historicaly acurate film (well not really... ) But anyhow, Im not disagreeing with you.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
CA,
With all due respect, no one has seen the movie yet. How do you know these sceens even made the final cut? [This message has been edited by Yaro, 02-23-2004]
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MisterOpus1 Inactive Member |
I'm just curious as to why Gibson decided to have the movie in Aramaic and not Greek. Didn't he do a thorough job of research?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6517 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Ya, he obviously did. They didn't speak greek in that region, or latin, arabic, hebrew, etc. The common tongue was Aramaic.
The bible was pend in greek yuears latter, but some of the origional Aramiac manuscripts still survive. Checkout the Wikipedia: Aramaic - Wikipedia
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MisterOpus1 Inactive Member |
quote: Ahh, thanks. My apologies. In my head I was mixing up translation vs. actual native language. I think it has been argued before which translation was actually first, and I believe Greek appeared to have a stronger case, but that's off-topic, so I'll not go down that road.
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phil Guest |
Okay, so now I am naive for suggesting that you actually see the movie before you pass judgment on it? Or am I naive for implying that the media has influenced your opinions on the movie (since you obviously have not yet seen it)?
Also, it is funny that you call me ignorant despite the fact that neither of us have seen the movie. Unless, then, you are referring to the history of antisemitism, meaning you have no basis for your claim. I realize the consequences of labeling Jews as the killers of Christ, and the suffering of the Jewish people because of this. Finally, for some reason, you list off extra-biblical elements featured in The Passion that may be viewed as antisemitic. Keep in mind, I am in no way supporting the movie. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. I do not have admiration for antisemitism on the part of Mel Gibson, but I do admire the fact that he used his own money to produce something so important to him amidst all this controversy. If it turns out The Passion is undeniably antisemitic, then it's safe to say I will not have much admiration for him, though.
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