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DrJones*
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Message 2086 of 2370 (880652)
08-08-2020 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2081 by Juvenissun
08-08-2020 8:13 AM


Re: Time scales
great show me where.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Juvenissun
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Message 2087 of 2370 (880661)
08-09-2020 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 2084 by kjsimons
08-08-2020 9:38 PM


Re: Time scales
A world wide flood has never happened in all of the planet Earths history as far as we know. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. Note that I stipulated that you must present "evidence".
I give you evidence, a very very strong evidence. However, you may not understand the evidence.
The evidence is: the earth has vast amount of ocean water in contrast to the mass of land.
Can you "reason" on my evidence? I don't believe you can.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2088 of 2370 (880662)
08-09-2020 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 2085 by ringo
08-08-2020 9:46 PM


Re: Time scales
But what does any of this have to do with your supposed global flood?
Because I want to emphasize that the global flood is not a flood as we understand it. It is a feature beyond the definition by a normal flood. So, we can NOT directly compare normal flood products with the consequence of the global flood. For example, a global continuous depositional layer.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2089 of 2370 (880663)
08-09-2020 6:41 AM
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08-08-2020 10:42 PM


Re: Time scales
Any one of my post.

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Larni
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Message 2090 of 2370 (880676)
08-09-2020 11:01 AM
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07-04-2020 1:34 PM


Re: the world that then was
Are you the 'dad' who posts on ChristianForums?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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FLRW
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Message 2091 of 2370 (880679)
08-09-2020 11:14 AM


The possible reason why that portion of the earth flooded and drowned so many people, is not just because of rain but most like the moon went out of its normal orbit , came much closer to earth and gravity pulled the earth oceans to that part of the globe. The reason for the moon going out of it's normal orbit was probably the impact of an asteroid.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2092 of 2370 (880680)
08-09-2020 11:25 AM
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08-09-2020 11:14 AM


Are you talking about the global flood described in the Bible, or just a large (not likely global) flood?
A meteorite strike happened in the ocean can also cause a huge flood. People think it happened a number of time in the past.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2093 of 2370 (880681)
08-09-2020 11:25 AM
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08-09-2020 11:01 AM


Re: the world that then was
No.

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dwise1
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Message 2094 of 2370 (880685)
08-09-2020 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2091 by FLRW
08-09-2020 11:14 AM


Or, by far the most likely, Noah's Flood (actually Utnapishtim's Flood, which was borrowed into Judean lore) is just a story, a mythic story. At best, there may have been a flood that was much worse than usual (AKA "hundred-year flood" or "500-year flood") and in the telling and retelling of that story it grow all out of proportion as is typical of the evolution of a legend. Trump illustrates that when he would repeat a false claim involving a number (usually of people) and in each subsequent retelling of that claim that number would grow almost exponentially until what started out as a few thousand ends up becoming millions.
Trying to explain how a story could actually happen is at the same level as on Big Bang Theory when the girls read a Thor comic book and then get into a very heated argument over how someone unworthy would be able to pick up his hammer, Mjlnir -- if Thor is holding it and you pick Thor up, like an elevator which is not worthy.
It's a story. Enjoy it as such. Especially when what the story has to offer has nothing to do with whether it's literally true.
Another example would be the story of the frog and the scorpion which has recently reappeared several times. The point of the story is just as valid even though such a negotiation between an amphibian and an arachnid can be deemed impossible.
Insisting that a story must be literally true in order for it to have any value makes absolutely no sense. Especially for creationists who insist that if that story is not literally true then their religion is false and should be rejected.

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Coragyps
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Message 2095 of 2370 (880686)
08-09-2020 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2087 by Juvenissun
08-09-2020 6:32 AM


Re: Time scales
And, Juve, I don’t believe that you have reasoned on your evidence
either. Not even a little bit.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2096 of 2370 (880690)
08-09-2020 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2094 by dwise1
08-09-2020 12:40 PM


I don't see any science in your opinion.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2097 of 2370 (880691)
08-09-2020 1:50 PM
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08-09-2020 12:59 PM


Re: Time scales
I reason all the time, all my life. That is my profession.
If you reason, I reason back. If you don't, I may or may not reason.
Edited by Juvenissun, : No reason given.

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dwise1
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Message 2098 of 2370 (880693)
08-09-2020 2:23 PM
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08-09-2020 1:50 PM


And we still have not seen any science in your "opinion" about Noah.
BTW, having an opinion requires having thought about the matter. You might want to try that some time. Could prove to be a very refreshing change.

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ringo
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Message 2099 of 2370 (880694)
08-09-2020 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2088 by Juvenissun
08-09-2020 6:40 AM


Re: Time scales
Juvenissun writes:
Because I want to emphasize that the global flood is not a flood as we understand it.
Maybe not. But what I ask floodists is: How do you distinguish one big flood from lots of little floods? The evidence that we have is all we have to go on, so how does that evidence point to one big flood?
Juvenssun writes:
So, we can NOT directly compare normal flood products with the consequence of the global flood. For example, a global continuous depositional layer.
Why not?
According to the Bible, the flood waters rose for a while, during which there would have been erosion; then the waters were stable for a while, during which there would have been deposition; then the waters receded, during which there would have been erosion and deposition. It seems quite likely to me that there would be at least one distinct layer that would be, if not on 100% of the earth's surface, at least a very large part of it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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DrJones*
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Message 2100 of 2370 (880705)
08-09-2020 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2089 by Juvenissun
08-09-2020 6:41 AM


Re: Time scales
so you're just gonna out right lie. unsurprising.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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