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Author Topic:   What Does Critical Thinking Mean To You?
jar
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Message 333 of 339 (880700)
08-09-2020 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Phat
08-09-2020 3:37 PM


Re: This Topic May Be Useful To Juvenissun
Phat writes:
The reason that led me to peruse the archives for this topic were primarily that I saw Juvenissun engaging in the following exchange:
Forum: Geology and the Great Flood
Topic: Did the Flood really happen?
RE: Message 2087
kjsimons writes:
A world wide flood has never happened in all of the planet Earths history as far as we know. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it. Note that I stipulated that you must present "evidence".
juvenissun writes:
I give you evidence, a very very strong evidence. However, you may not understand the evidence.
The evidence is: the earth has vast amount of ocean water in contrast to the mass of land.
Can you "reason" on my evidence? I don't believe you can.
Should not critical thinking be the primary tool in a science forum with which to arrive at an agreeable methodology and consensus for further testing and examination?
Of course critical thinking should be used to show that once again Juvenissun simply once again posted an utterly meaningless claim.
That is a characteristic of the CCoI.
He never defines what he means or even tries to present any evidence or reasoning to support such a stupid, utterly totally and completely stupid assertion as "the earth has vast amount of ocean water in contrast to the mass of land".
What he does do is count on the trait of NOT THINKING PERIOD but rather excepting based on SOURCE that is the Hallmark of the CCoI.
What Juvenissun has done in every post at this forum is show a total inability to think at all.
Edited by jar, : so ---> show

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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 335 of 339 (880703)
08-09-2020 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Phat
08-09-2020 4:07 PM


Re: This Topic May Be Useful To Juvenissun
I'm not attacking his character Phat but rather pointing out that like all of the CCoI he has decided not to learn how to think.
It really is that simple.
AbE:
It is ubiquitous to ALL of the CCoI, you included.
Phat writes:
Did God serve a valuable purpose before He was "thrown away"? How about after?
This above is a great example. You have NEVER shown that you are capable of even beginning to understand what "Throw God(s) and god(s) away" even means.
Phat writes:
What critical thinking led you to the following assertions:
  • All apologists are basically liars
  • Christianity could well evolve into a secular humanist altruism, throwing Jesus away, and still maintain its brand within your club.
  • The Bible and/or bibles written were and are totally authored, edited,and redacted by humans. Human wisdom is basically all we have.
  • The evidence Phat, ALL of the evidence.
    No one has ever presented any evidence or a reasoned argument to show that some or any of the Apologists are not liars and conmen.
    I have never asserted the second of your bullets and in fact have said quite the opposite. Just another example of you misrepresenting what people tell you and showing you are willfully incapable of understanding what the tell you.
    And again, your third point is a conclusion based on what is actually written in the Bible.
    Edited by jar, : See AbE:
    Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed broken quote

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    jar
    Member (Idle past 415 days)
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    Message 337 of 339 (880710)
    08-09-2020 7:35 PM
    Reply to: Message 336 by Phat
    08-09-2020 7:21 PM


    Re: Jar and Phat Ad Nauseum
    Phat writes:
    You are talking about quite a large group of people. Might I just say that it is quite as likely that you yourself are (perhaps unknowingly) a liar and a conman. You drive people away from a relationship with Jesus Christ.
    You may say anything you want but just as with the Apologists you have NEVER provided any evidence or reasoned argument yo support what you say.
    Phat writes:
    You have said that even if Jesus never existed and was simply a story told around a campfire the message still has value. Value to whom?
    Value to those who fo0llow Jesus message and to those who have no clothes but are clothed, are hungry and get fed, are homeless and are sheltered, are sick and get healed, are sorrowful but get comforted ...
    Phat writes:
    Do you or do you not believe that God could care less if we even believed in "Her"?
    Absolutely! GOD, if GOD exists is not such a pitiful insecure critter as to need or care if anyone believes in Her. In fact that is key to understanding why you should throw all the God(s) and god(s) away. They only exist in the minds of their believers and as soon and they lose believers they are no longer gods. Look at all the evidence about all the God(s) and god(s) you don't believe in. The god you try to market is the same; existing only in your mind.
    Phat writes:
    Is that not the same thing as throwing away all of the stories, apologetic marketing books and videos, human opinions, and church denominational propaganda and simply doing for the least of these?
    Ihave no idea but the message of Jesus repeated throughout the Red Letter New Testament writings is that we are charged to simply do for the least of these.
    Phat writes:
    Again with the insults. You need the Holy Spirit, old man. You know darn well that I understand you better than anyone else at EvC (at least in regards to Christian beliefs) and if I am being willfully ignorant, it is simply resistance to what you teach. I think there is more to the story.
    It's not an insult Phat but rather fact; fact you do not want to here but what you want to hear does not change reality. The difference is I still have a liitle hope that you are willing and capable of learning how to think.

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    jar
    Member (Idle past 415 days)
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    From: Texas!!
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    Message 339 of 339 (880728)
    08-10-2020 4:03 PM
    Reply to: Message 338 by Phat
    08-10-2020 12:58 PM


    Re: Jar and Phat Ad Nauseum
    Whatever Phat.
    I cannot hold any hatred for anything as pitiful and insignificant as the Apologists. That would be a silly as me hating pond scum. And if you or any of the Apologists ever presents anything approaching evidence or some semblance of a reasoned argument I would gladly consider it.
    Edited by jar, : No reason given.
    Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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